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The 23rd Century - Starfleet at it's peak?

Define peak?
Peace? That would probably be from 2311-2365 ( as of yet told..) no romulans, klingons are in good relations, ocasional border dispute.. but otherwise peacefull and exploration is the name of the day

I've always thought that individual planets have there own "Home Fleet" for protection of there home planet, and there own exploratory arm.. I doubt Starfleet goes and does everything.. The Vulcans have there own exploration agenda, same Tellerites etc.
Starfleet, and even the Federation, only get a certain percentage of Funds, or ships from individual planets, maybe they just give up resources, dilithium, metals etc. for ship construction.
So the Enterprise is a ship made by or funded Earth UESPA and given to starfleet to do as they will, but it is an "Earth Ship" while the Intrepid is made/funded by Vulcan, and being in starfleet, but going where the vulcans want to, unless starfleet business interrupts.
 
Don't forget that the Galaxy-class saucers are home to (by far) the two largest phaser arrays on the ship, allowing a massive arc of fire. The saucer is also home to two impulse engines to provide additional power and allow the ship to manoeuvre just as well if the secondary hull's single impulse engine is damaged in battle.

Offscreen, this is basically because Andy Probert believed the saucer was the "separating battle section" that he had been asked to accommodate in his designs...

In-universe, it might be that Starfleet never intended for the saucer to be a means of evacuating the onboard families. It just so happened that when Starfleet decided upon a policy of evacuating the families in anticipation of especially dangerous sorties, the saucer separation was a semi-practical means of accomplishing that. Although of course the policy was not practical in itself, and Picard never really implemented it: "Heart of Glory" perfectly demonstrates how he would first go "Ah, but we don't know if it will be dangerous" and then state "Too late now, we're committed".

That the ship could separate is as such never stated to be a new thing, or a unique thing, or even a particularly remarkable thing. It's just established to be a thing that is done fairly seldom, so that Riker "manually" redocking the saucer in the pilot is not an everyday maneuver and in fact nicely tests Riker's competency on this particular ship type. Although it probably does not mean his previous, Excelsior class ship would have been incapable of separation and redocking - it just means either that she never found a reason to separate, or that competency on that class doesn't necessarily mean competency on the Galaxy class and Picard thus has a valid test here. Or then Picard is just a nasty taskmaster, and gives Riker a menial task he then "evaluates" with his neck-burning stare.

Timo Saloniemi
 
That's what made zero sense to me.. Wolf 359 battle with sisko. Why in the HELL were jenifer and jake on board during the battle? I mean it wasn't like the ship was.. Surprise! Borg! No.. It traveled to the battleground.. You'd think that family and non essential would be off loaded or put on a shuttle before the battle.. For the whole battle fleet.. :brickwall::borg:
 
I'd say 7,000 ships is close to the lower limit of the plausible for "active" ships, if the idea is to provide a NCC-registered starship at each "quadrant", of which there would presumably be four per "sector", of which there in turn don't appear to be an insignificant number in TOS - and then all the Antareses to keep those NCC ships working.

The heroes being in the only starship in the quadrant is typically worth commenting on - not as a rarity, but not as the default assumption, either. Starfleet is admittedly piss-poor at coordinating, neither Kirk nor his bosses really knowing where the Exeter or the Constellation might be, and allowing Kirk's mission to stupidly overlap theirs. But the very overlaps we witness suggest truly vast numbers of vessels; in light of this, "Only 12 like her" is likely to be a boast of the uniqueness of the uniqueness against a background of non-uniqueness, of dozens of ship classes dozens strong being the norm from which Kirk's type deviates...
It takes some effort, but I think it's worth putting ourselves back in a TOS mindframe, before TNG existed. The word "quadrant" was used very casually back then, and not very consistently. It almost certainly doesn't mean "quarter of the galaxy" as it later came to be understood; I'm more inclined to read it as equivalent to "sector" or, if absolutely necessary, "quarter of UFP-explored space."

Likewise, the word "starship" had more status. This was before the Constitution class was established as a thing; the Enterprise was "Starship Class," and that's the sense in which there were only twelve like her.

In light of that, I've generally assumed the TOS-era Starfleet to be fairly small. There may be larger numbers (scores? hundreds?) of lesser ships, but only a dozen comparable to the Enterprise, with the latest military capability, long mission profiles, and a Warp 6 cruising speed. We don't know how big the UFP was then, in terms of either light-years or member worlds... but if we take a sector to be 20 light years across, it's not at all implausible for the Enterprise frequently to have been the only (star)ship in the sector, and for others to be too far away/too slow to get there in a reasonable time.

Didn't Kirk tell Cochrane in "Metamophosis" that "We're on a thousand worlds". That implies a thousand Earth colonies, plus all the other planets of Federation members. ... Since a starship was a very special type of ship in TOS, not all the Federation's warships would be starships, so possibly there would be a small number of starships, perhaps even as low as the 13 mentioned by Kirk. But there should be hundreds of warships of some type for the purpose of defending the Federation, and presumably they would be in Starfleet..
I don't read the implications the same way. I take "we" to refer to all the sapient races from the UFP, not just humans (otherwise it would seem a bit chauvinistic), and "on a thousand worlds" to mean both UFP members and colony worlds, from fully-settled independent planets to brand-new outposts. It's still an impressive statement, but it doesn't imply such a big need for warships.
 
That's what made zero sense to me.. Wolf 359 battle with sisko. Why in the HELL were jenifer and jake on board during the battle? I mean it wasn't like the ship was.. Surprise! Borg! No.. It traveled to the battleground.. You'd think that family and non essential would be off loaded or put on a shuttle before the battle.. For the whole battle fleet.. :brickwall::borg:

I'm not sure why this particular battle would have called for unloading the civilians.

1) Jennifer and Jake had consented to being aboard in the first place, the baseline assumption being that the ship would engage in fights (or get eaten by space amoebae) without any sort of warning or chance to go ashore.

2) Going ashore at this particular time would not improve their situation. Everybody would assuredly die or worse within the next few hours; it was just a choice between doing so aboard the Saratoga together, or somewhere else separated from Ben.

3) It's not as if the ship fought less well for the presence of the civilians, as far as we can tell. And who knows, perhaps one of them would have come up with the Achilles heel of these cybermen? That's the most fearsome weapon aboard any Starfleet ship - the spectrum of bright minds unchained by rules.

It takes some effort, but I think it's worth putting ourselves back in a TOS mindframe, before TNG existed. The word "quadrant" was used very casually back then, and not very consistently. It almost certainly doesn't mean "quarter of the galaxy" as it later came to be understood; I'm more inclined to read it as equivalent to "sector" or, if absolutely necessary, "quarter of UFP-explored space."

If anything, the word in TOS refers to that volume of space a starship is supposed to be minding, generally alone. There are references to Kirk moving from quadrant to quadrant during his missions; to him being expected to know what is happening in his current quadrant, i.e. his sensors covering all of it; and to it being possible but generally unlikely that there would be several ships in a given quadrant. OTOH, there's a reference or two to it being a bit unusual that there is only a single spaceport in a quadrant, so a quadrant generally is likely to encompass several star systems.

Likewise, the word "starship" had more status. This was before the Constitution class was established as a thing; the Enterprise was "Starship Class," and that's the sense in which there were only twelve like her.

Let's not confuse two things here. The hero ship was a starship; there were twelve like her. It does NOT follow that there would only be twelve starships - that's an elementary logical fallacy.

This might be different if starshipness and twelveness were somehow connected semantically and thus perhaps logically in a single phrase or discussion. But this never happens. The hero ship just happens to have these two attributes, mentioned separately, in separate adventures. And it happens to be light grey, another no doubt equally unrelated attribute.

We never got any idea on how many starships there would be, except for things like "one per quadrant" (so a couple of dozen from TOS/TAS/TOS movie references alone), or "only one in a million could command a starship" (meaning thousands of such skippers from mankind alone).

In light of that, I've generally assumed the TOS-era Starfleet to be fairly small.

...Say, 7,000 ships strong? If, say, fifty of those were "proper starships", it would still be fantastically unlikely for two of them to randomly happen on the same star system, yet this did happen at least twice ("Doomsday Machine" and "Omega Glory"). But if 200 of them were, the ratio of capital ships to support units would be a tad high.

There may be larger numbers (scores? hundreds?) of lesser ships, but only a dozen comparable to the Enterprise, with the latest military capability, long mission profiles, and a Warp 6 cruising speed.

Let's remember, though, that none of the above qualities were quoted to apply to the Enterprise. Okay, perhaps her cruising speed was warp six, but nothing suggested this would be particularly high for Starfleet. Or particularly low, or anything else informative. Certainly nothing about her was "latest" in any bit of dialogue, except when she was the testbed for M-5, and Kirk's disdain for new things nicely surfaced there...

The Enterprise may have been one of the challenges the heroes had to face: an obsolete piece of equipment only deemed good for a number of menial tasks and errands, yet stumbling upon adventures where she got a chance to shine.

Starfleet almost certainly operates overlapping generations of starships. So it would be nice to know if a ship with a 1700 range registry is "new" or "old" for the 2260s, as we could then pretend that the numbers are chronological (they sorta were in TOS - the sole dialog reference to a starship registry number, in "Court Martial", gave an older ship a lower registry, clearly on purpose) and argue that there would be about 1700 vessels ("new"), including the retired ones; or more than 1700 vessels ("old"), again including those no longer serving. Or whatever factor we assign for turning a registry number into the number of ships built (it's a bit inconvenient that Kirk's ship is an "01" rather than, say, a "72", if the system is one of starting anew from double zeroes for every new class).

I don't read the implications the same way. I take "we" to refer to all the sapient races from the UFP, not just humans (otherwise it would seem a bit chauvinistic), and "on a thousand worlds" to mean both UFP members and colony worlds, from fully-settled independent planets to brand-new outposts. It's still an impressive statement, but it doesn't imply such a big need for warships.

Why would Kirk not be chauvinist? Cochrane was asking specifically about mankind, after all, being a man himself.

If anything, it would be a bit insulting of Kirk to say that "we" are spreading, if "we" included those folks who were native to the areas where the spreading was taking place...

Timo Saloniemi
 
I'm not sure why this particular battle would have called for unloading the civilians.

1) Jennifer and Jake had consented to being aboard in the first place, the baseline assumption being that the ship would engage in fights (or get eaten by space amoebae) without any sort of warning or chance to go ashore.

2) Going ashore at this particular time would not improve their situation. Everybody would assuredly die or worse within the next few hours; it was just a choice between doing so aboard the Saratoga together, or somewhere else separated from Ben.

3) It's not as if the ship fought less well for the presence of the civilians, as far as we can tell. And who knows, perhaps one of them would have come up with the Achilles heel of these cybermen? That's the most fearsome weapon aboard any Starfleet ship - the spectrum of bright minds unchained by rules.

Well, naturally.. as I said, day to day stuff.. your on a starship.. your safety is not guaranteed.. But going to a seamingly suicide battle, and you have the time and resources to offload everybody that isn't needed.. Yeah, you try to do that.. That battle was a big question mark of survivability..
 
Let's not confuse two things here. The hero ship was a starship; there were twelve like her. It does NOT follow that there would only be twelve starships - that's an elementary logical fallacy.

This might be different if starshipness and twelveness were somehow connected semantically and thus perhaps logically in a single phrase or discussion. But this never happens. The hero ship just happens to have these two attributes, mentioned separately, in separate adventures. ...

We never got any idea on how many starships there would be, except for things like "one per quadrant" (so a couple of dozen from TOS/TAS/TOS movie references alone), or "only one in a million could command a starship" (meaning thousands of such skippers from mankind alone).
Let me clarify. We know the Enterprise was a Starship Class vessel, we know commanding a "Starship" was an elite duty ("only one in a million could do it," per Court Martial), and we know there were "only twelve like it in the fleet" (as of Tomorrow Is Yesterday). I'm perfectly happy to stipulate that there may have been much larger numbers of what later series referred to as starships (i.e., Starfleet vessels with warp capability), but I think it's clear that the Enterprise was meant to be understood as one of an elite handful of vessels at the cutting edge of Starfleet's capabilities.

Let's remember, though, that none of the above qualities were quoted to apply to the Enterprise. Okay, perhaps her cruising speed was warp six, but nothing suggested this would be particularly high for Starfleet. Or particularly low, or anything else informative. Certainly nothing about her was "latest" in any bit of dialogue...

The Enterprise may have been one of the challenges the heroes had to face: an obsolete piece of equipment only deemed good for a number of menial tasks and errands, yet stumbling upon adventures where she got a chance to shine.
This seems to mirror your arguments from other threads about how Kirk and crew may have been just run-of-the-mill officers, nothing special. I don't really want to go down that rabbit hole again; suffice it to say I disagree, and I think the show frequently indicated that both crew and ship were supposed to be among the best of the best. TMOST does much the same. Even if certain episodes implied the ship itself was at least 15 years old (or 25, if you include TAS), and there would presumably be newer ships in the fleet (in and out of its class), its engines, computers, and weapons were frequently described as being up-to-date. (Heck, would Scotty or Spock have allowed otherwise?)

How many other ships of lesser status might have existed? That's where my reply to MAGolding comes in. There's always room for debate, but I'm inclined to think "a thousand worlds" represented a seat-of-the-pants estimate of the total number of UFP-member-or-colony worlds, not merely a reference to "Earth colonies," as he suggested. Presumably most of those worlds would have their own defensive capabilities, without having to rely on a Starfleet ship being near at hand when an emergency arose. So I'm inclined to think the kinds of fleet numbers mentioned in DSC seem an order of magnitude too high, probably influenced (at least unconsciously) by the sensibilities of the TNG era. If the 23rd-century UFP really had the resources to construct 7000 ships, after all, surely it would've made more than just a dozen of the "Starship Class" warhorses.

Starfleet almost certainly operates overlapping generations of starships. So it would be nice to know if a ship with a 1700 range registry is "new" or "old" for the 2260s, as we could then pretend that the numbers are chronological (they sorta were in TOS - the sole dialog reference to a starship registry number, in "Court Martial", gave an older ship a lower registry, clearly on purpose) and argue that there would be about 1700 vessels ("new"), including the retired ones; or more than 1700 vessels ("old"), again including those no longer serving.
I've never tried to extrapolate anything from registry numbers, as they're simply too ad hoc; any attempt to infer a set of rules gets overwhelmed by the exceptions. FWIW, the real-life US Navy has between 400 and 500 ships in active service (of which ten are aircraft carriers, and nine are "amphibious assault ships," the next class down), yet their numbers are often in the 7xx range, and at least a couple are in the 1xxx range.
 
If humans are on "a thousand worlds", I would include even one visiting human on an alien world. How many of these worlds are major UFP worlds? I would figure around 100 give or take. So, on average, UFP worlds would need to field about 70 ships each. Seems plausible. Starfleet is the joint space forces representing the UFP, so, I would expect a limited number of war capable ships and support vessels, with emphasis on exploration. Could there be only 12 top capital ships in this fleet? Seems plausible, too.
 
Let me clarify. We know the Enterprise was a Starship Class vessel, we know commanding a "Starship" was an elite duty ("only one in a million could do it," per Court Martial), and we know there were "only twelve like it in the fleet" (as of Tomorrow Is Yesterday). I'm perfectly happy to stipulate that there may have been much larger numbers of what later series referred to as starships (i.e., Starfleet vessels with warp capability), but I think it's clear that the Enterprise was meant to be understood as one of an elite handful of vessels at the cutting edge of Starfleet's capabilities.

Possibly in the context of TOS. Certainly not in the later context. And there are starships everywhere in TOS, a couple of times crowding the same star system completely by chance, suggesting there are in fact millions of starships at the very least. Or then that the sandbox in which they play is really, really small - which as such is problematic, because one of those chance encounters happens at what is supposed to be the outer reaches of the galaxy, and other episodes have our heroes visit such reaches, too. (Although the chance encounter of "Doomsday Machine" also takes place close to the "most densely populated part of the galaxy" - so perhaps the tiny sandbox sits at the edge of the galaxy, and so does Earth, in the Trek version of the universe?).

But the idea that there would be twelve starships in the fleet remains an egregious logical fallacy. This was simply never stated.

This seems to mirror your arguments from other threads about how Kirk and crew may have been just run-of-the-mill officers, nothing special. I don't really want to go down that rabbit hole again; suffice it to say I disagree, and I think the show frequently indicated that both crew and ship were supposed to be among the best of the best.

This would call for at least a single dialogue reference to such. But the only colleague of Kirk's who ever said Kirk was special was the mad Garth, and this was in reference to his violent past, rather than his present. No member of Kirk's crew ever received objective praise. And nobody outside the Starfleet circles currently directly engaged with Kirk even recognized Kirk.

Kirk thought Tracey was a big name when it came to starship command. Nobody ever returned the compliment.

...its engines, computers, and weapons were frequently described as being up-to-date. (Heck, would Scotty or Spock have allowed otherwise?)

What sort of a description are you referring to?

Scotty could have kept the old boilers patched up and polished, up to and beyond the standards expected of old boilers. It would not be his call to have them replaced by modern gas turbines, nor Spock's. Nor Kirk's, for that matter. So, what sort of a reference would have been made to Scotty's boilers not being out of date?

How many other ships of lesser status might have existed? That's where my reply to MAGolding comes in. There's always room for debate, but I'm inclined to think "a thousand worlds" represented a seat-of-the-pants estimate of the total number of UFP-member-or-colony worlds, not merely a reference to "Earth colonies," as he suggested. Presumably most of those worlds would have their own defensive capabilities, without having to rely on a Starfleet ship being near at hand when an emergency arose. So I'm inclined to think the kinds of fleet numbers mentioned in DSC seem an order of magnitude too high, probably influenced (at least unconsciously) by the sensibilities of the TNG era. If the 23rd-century UFP really had the resources to construct 7000 ships, after all, surely it would've made more than just a dozen of the "Starship Class" warhorses.

Which is the other reason why I think there's no rhyme or reason to "a dozen starships". We now know Starfleet had 7,000 ships. It thus becomes all the more acceptable that there would be at least a couple of hundred starships, the number that we so desperately need in order to explain why TOS shows us so awfully many, in a big galaxy.

(Mind you, arguing planet numbers seems unrelated to the issue. Planets in Trek, especially in TOS, are not protected by Starfleet ships. Instead, such ships occasionally happen upon a crisis before it results in the death of millions or billions - and occasionally after it has done so, in some cases years after the event. There is no known ratio of ships to planets, other than "nowhere near enough". And this could be made to work with twelve ships of all sorts total, including both of Commodore Stone's freshwater lighters, or with fifty thousand capital ships, by adjusting any number of parameters, the number of planets not holding any special position there.)

I've never tried to extrapolate anything from registry numbers, as they're simply too ad hoc; any attempt to infer a set of rules gets overwhelmed by the exceptions.

Well, you're ready to go with "meant to be understood". So what do you make of a list that shows numbers ranging from 1672 to 1864? A Starfleet a tad under 200 starships strong (assuming we by happenstance witness the bookends here)? Or a Starfleet that has designed a registry system that accommodates 12 starships by skipping hundreds?

FWIW, the real-life US Navy has between 400 and 500 ships in active service (of which ten are aircraft carriers, and nine are "amphibious assault ships," the next class down), yet their numbers are often in the 7xx range, and at least a couple are in the 1xxx range.

And basically, every single number from 1 to 1000 has been covered as time passes; the lower numbers have simply been retired when the ships sporting them were.

USN pennant numbers have about a century of history to them. UFP Starfleet ones would have more or less the same in TOS. so, write off half the number as no longer active? You still get 800 ships with those NCC numbers that the one chart associates with "star ship status", and then several letters' worth of support ships like NCC-F1913. Fitting that all within mere 7,000 active ships might actually take some doing.

Timo Saloniemi
 
It takes some effort, but I think it's worth putting ourselves back in a TOS mindframe, before TNG existed. The word "quadrant" was used very casually back then, and not very consistently. It almost certainly doesn't mean "quarter of the galaxy" as it later came to be understood; I'm more inclined to read it as equivalent to "sector" or, if absolutely necessary, "quarter of UFP-explored space."
Agreed. When you look at TOS, you have to put yourself into the TOS mindset and try to think like how the creators of TOS were thinking when they came up with it. If you bring your TNG era assumptions into it, you're looking at things through the wrong end of the telescope.
Likewise, the word "starship" had more status. This was before the Constitution class was established as a thing; the Enterprise was "Starship Class," and that's the sense in which there were only twelve like her.
Yes. A starship was a rare and elite thing in the era of TOS, and the men and women who crewed them were a cut above. Even Merik in "Bread and Circuses" acknowledges this, and he was dropped from the Academy after failing a psycho-simulator test:
CLAUDIUS: You're a clever liar, Captain Kirk. Merikus was a spaceship captain. I've observed him thoroughly. Your species has no such strength.
MERIK: He commands not just a spaceship, Proconsul, but a starship. A very special vessel and crew. I tried for such a command.
CLAUDIUS: I see no evidence of superiority. They fight no better than your men did, Merikus. Perhaps not as well.
If even Merik admits this, there must be something to it.
There's always room for debate, but I'm inclined to think "a thousand worlds" represented a seat-of-the-pants estimate of the total number of UFP-member-or-colony worlds, not merely a reference to "Earth colonies," as he suggested.
I'm also inclined to think that "a thousand worlds" is likely referring to either the total number of UFP member worlds, or else the number of planets that Starfleet has a presence on. Kirk might be expected to know the numbers of either of those of the top of his head, while knowing the total number of Earth colonies seems less likely to me.
So I'm inclined to think the kinds of fleet numbers mentioned in DSC seem an order of magnitude too high, probably influenced (at least unconsciously) by the sensibilities of the TNG era. If the 23rd-century UFP really had the resources to construct 7000 ships, after all, surely it would've made more than just a dozen of the "Starship Class" warhorses.
Yes, agreed. Even 700 seems too high for the TOS era.
I've never tried to extrapolate anything from registry numbers, as they're simply too ad hoc; any attempt to infer a set of rules gets overwhelmed by the exceptions.
Yeah, I've never seen any sort of unified system of registry numbers that makes much sense. Mainly because most of them weren't conceived with any sort of system in the first place, so imposing any sort of order to them after the fact is pretty much doomed to failure.
 
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Maybe it's my aesthetic bias, but I felt Starfleet was at its peak in the 2280s-2290s period when starships were designed with equal combat and scientific capabilities. It speaks to why they have such longevity when vessels of that time persisted for over a hundred years, but ships designed in the intervening period (the Wolf 359 fleet, stablemates of the Ambassador) hardly appear by the bulk of the TNG era. The best ships were made during that wartime hype leading up to the aborted war with the klingons and survived war with the cardassians.

With the TNG fleet being complacent civilian designs and the Dominion war era fleets being overtly military, apart from classes like the Nova and Intrepid, I'd still call the 2280s-90s fleet the high point if Starfleet because the ships had to compromise between the two directives of Starfleet. Specializing on first one, then the other, left them unable to prosper when the time came.
 
The TMP era was a bit of an aberration visually speaking. If you gave me some model kits to put decals on—and I didn’t know Trek history—I would have called the Discovery/Pike era ship as the 1701-A, the Sternbach Ambassador as the -B, the Probert Ambassador as the -C, and Picard’s Ent as the -D of course.

Those ships all have the warm nacelles... like the JJ ships as fellow vessels of the dash-A era.

The movie ships like the refit?
Section 31 clearly—esp Excelsior, which was quite sinister. Discovery would be Section 31 as well.

At least that is how I would retcon things, with Drax’s Moonraker shuttles docking with 2001’s space station V, and the Orion III docking with Drax’s station for 2100 A Space Odyssey
 
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And basically, every single number from 1 to 1000 has been covered as time passes;
Nothing says that starship hull numbers were restricted to four digits at the time of TOS, there easily could have been numbers running to several digits. Kirk's ship was simply one of those with four digits. There also could have been starships at the time with three digits.

I personally would perfer seeing NCC-1701 over having to look at NCC-0001701.
the Enterprise was "Starship Class,"
Enterprise was both a Starship Class (above a certain size, well armed, warp driven), and a Constitution Class (a specific design). In my head canon anything above a cutter was going to be a starship class.
TOS-era Starfleet to be fairly small. There may be larger numbers (scores? hundreds?) of lesser ships
The Enterprise wasn't a new ship, seems unlikely that they (whoever "they" are) built the Enterprise and her sisters and then stopped building major starships for multiple decades. Given it's hull number my thought is that the Constellation was of a different class than the Enterprise, same general size and capacites, but a separate design.

As to the number of ships, semi going off old Star Trek games I say around ten thousand starships. They have a lot of area to cover, area to defend, a variety of duties in the federation, and there's exploration outside too.
 
Tom Paris said (to the effect) that Voyager was built primarily for combat, or built for combat first.
Where did he say that? Could you point out the line?

Seems like a strange thing to say about Voyager. The Defiant I can understand - built for combat first. But the description doesn't seem to fit Voyager.
 
Oh, that thing. It's in "The Thaw": Kim gripes about the acoustics of his quarters, and Paris quips that the ship "was built for combat performance, not for musical performance".

It's a joke, that's all - a probably deliberately untrue statement made in-universe to intended comical effect. It doesn't seem justified to assume that Tom really though the ship's driving specifications were for combat performance, or even that Tom would know what those specs were.

Timo Saloniemi
 
At first glance I take that as a generalization that, as an explorer, Voyager should prioritize defense over being say... a starliner... which holds entertainment first and defense later. *shrug*
 
Actually, it might be vice versa: an explorer's greatest strength in all tasks, including combat, might be the ability to keep the crew sufficiently entertained and mentally active and thus capable of outwitting the enemy like Starfleet always does when outgunned... :devil:

Essentially, NCC-74656 only ever made it home because her holodecks kept on working.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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