Picard Season one.... I miss Star Trek

[AlanC9]

Killing a unarmed person in cold blood no matter their crime is murder.

Depends on the legal code in effect where you are. I'm not sure murder is even possible on Freecloud; my impression is that the place is basically Thunderdome with ads.

And if we're talking morality rather than law, gunning Bjayzl down is the clearly moral choice, out of the options which are actually available.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Do you consider Data a cold blooded murderer? The only reason he didn't kill unarmed Fajo is due to the transporter beam catching him before the disruptor could finish firing, but he had pulled the trigger.

Fajo threatened to keep him trapped aboard his ship. Plus data wasn't human.

 

[fireproof78]

Cool. Murder is ok if you're not human.

 

[SolarisOne]

I'll counter: I miss Picard. IDGAF if anyone else thinks it's Trek or not.

 

[fireproof78]

I'll counter: I miss Picard. IDGAF if anyone else thinks it's Trek or not.

I'll counter-counter. I miss the days of people enjoying things.

 

[AlanC9]

Fajo threatened to keep him trapped aboard his ship. Plus data wasn't human.

Wait, what? What does Data's species have to do with anything?

 

[fireproof78]

Depends on the legal code in effect where you are. I'm not sure murder is even possible on Freecloud; my impression is that the place is basically Thunderdome with ads.

And if we're talking morality rather than law, gunning Bjayzl down is the clearly moral choice, out of the options which are actually available.

So, was Seven saving lives? Needs of the many?

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Bjayzl was a monster who didn't deserve to spend the rest of her life in a cushy Federation prison. Seven made it quick which is more than Icheb's murderer deserved.

 

[AlanC9]

Sure. It's not like Bjayzl was gonna shut down a profitable business, and she seem to have been effectively beyond the reach of Federation law. I suppose in theory she could have been extradited (or rather, kidnapped by law enforcement agents) but if that was ever going to happen it would have happened years before.

 

[Reanok]

Bjayzel got what she deserved when Seven of Nine took her revenge for Icheb.And the terrible things Bjayzel did to get borg tech and crimes she committed against Maddox . I was glad Seven got rid of her.

 

[Makarov]

I expect people rooting for Seven to murder the unarmed bad guy because its practical should also root for that grieving mom in Silicon Avatar to destroy the Crystalline Entity.

 

[fireproof78]

I expect people rooting for Seven to murder the unarmed bad guy because its practical should also root for that grieving mom in Silicon Avatar to destroy the Crystalline Entity.

I know of at least one article I read that did. Also, what about killing the Borg? That would save many, many, lives from the horror of assimilation. Star Trek has a whole saying about this, after all!

Also, honest question, what was Seven's recourse? They were not in the Federation, so what law could come to arrest her? What steps would people prefer?

 

[trekshark]

well one main difference is that we don't know for sure if the Crystalline Entity was sentient, or if it knew it was killing sentient beings
Bjayzel definitely knew she was torturing and killing sentient beings

 

[Nyotarules]

I expect people rooting for Seven to murder the unarmed bad guy because its practical should also root for that grieving mom in Silicon Avatar to destroy the Crystalline Entity.

I root for her. I think she was right and Picard was wrong.

 

[fireproof78]

well one main difference is that we don't know for sure if the Crystalline Entity was sentient, or if it knew it was killing sentient beings
Bjayzel definitely knew she was torturing and killing sentient beings

Even if it wasn't sentient how do you justify keeping it alive if it will keep destroying planets?

 

[Makarov]

Sometimes the right thing to do requires a lot of risk. Like sticking their neck out while mounting the romulan rescue even though they were enemies. Or not turning Hugh into a weapon back in the day.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I expect people rooting for Seven to murder the unarmed bad guy because its practical should also root for that grieving mom in Silicon Avatar to destroy the Crystalline Entity.

Yep she did the right thing and probably saved countless lives.

 

[fireproof78]

Sometimes the right thing to do requires a lot of risk. Like sticking their neck out while mounting the romulan rescue even though they were enemies. Or not turning Hugh into a weapon back in the day.

So, we are to assume that preventing something or someone from killing people is the right thing to do? Especially after they have demonstrated the capacity to maim, torture and kill in the past. I suppose Voyager should have tried to save the Borg Queen then. Or, perhaps McCoy should have not killed the salt vampire?

There is a lot more to it than just "Don't kill."

 

[Turtletrekker]

I expect people rooting for Seven to murder the unarmed bad guy because its practical should also root for that grieving mom in Silicon Avatar to destroy the Crystalline Entity.

I root for her. I think she was right and Picard was wrong.

This one is tough. How aware of what it was doing was the crystalline entity? Was the entity aware that it was consuming sentient beings or was it just feeding as we all must? We'll never know because dr. Marr destroyed it before we could get those answers.

Should have the human scientists in Home Soil (the "ugly bags of mostly water") been destroyed for their inadvertent transgressions?

How about the civilian miners at Janus VI? They didn't know that they were destroying Horta eggs.

How about Paul Stubbs? The nanites would have been within their rights to exact lethal revenge, but they chose not to. Hell, I wouldn't have argued with them.

None of these people were fully aware of the consequences of their actions on others, and thus were forgiven.

Bjayzel was fully aware of what she was doing. She was a serial predator, knowingly harvesting living beings, not for survival, but for profit. A criminal. Furthermore, she lived in a sector of space where legal action, judgment and imprisonment was impossible, and was therefore immune to any legal reprisals. Furthermore, she may have been unarmed, but she had a legion of armed thugs at her disposal that were in the next room. Virtually untouchable. Given all of this, how else should Seven have dealt with Bjayzel? Should she have taken her into custody? And turn her over to who? She's committed no crimes in Federation space. There's no legal justice system structure in the former neutral zone where Freecloud is located to turn her over to. What were her options? Say, "oh well the courts can't touch her so I should continue to let her harvest XB's"?

If they were to give Seven of Nine and her Rangers a spin-off, what I would like to see them do is, not to get that sector of space in line with Federation doctrine, but to establish their own seat of government to bring order to the region.

 

[Makarov]

Seven kills her straight up for revenge. It wasnt about the logistics or difficulty in bringing her to justice it was simply she wanted to kill this person and wanted to bring up Icheb before doing it. Q would destroy humanity if they devolved into that again.

In a hero example Batman doesnt just kill the Joker even though he cant keep him locked up. Punisher on the other hand goes around killing and he definitely does wrong things.