Spoilers On Seven and sexuality

[Jayson1]

He smokes Romulan Cigars though along with drinking Romulan Ale because he breaks all the rules! Doesn't shave either being the only male character on the show with a smoothed face. Except Riker of course but he is also a badass as well. Puts a fancy home security system in his home and cooks Pizza like a real manly man not using modern stoves or any of that wimpy future tech stuff and then shows up at the end and faces down a Romulan fleet like a Baller without even getting up out his chair once.

Jason

 

[Rainard Fox]

So I didn't really give a shit about the catsuit. I was more focused on the character. This was someone I could identify with. Otherwise, I wasn't much of a fan of VOY. She's the reason I watched as long as I did. Otherwise, I would've stopped watching sooner since (unlike a lot of other people here) I don't stick around watching things I'm not a fan of. I mean, sure, Spock was half-Human and half-Vulcan and I could identify being of two cultures, being half-American and half-Iranian, but Seven wasn't like anyone else and didn't appreciate being forced to be like anyone else. And that's what I identify with more (then and now). It's not what you are, it's who you are.

That's why I love Star Trek universe. It has no need to represent your special group to represent you as a person. In modern TV tradition they suppose you need half-American / half-Iranian character to identify self, so I obviously supposed to need someone who is half-Ukranian / half-Chuvash (do you ever heard of a mix like that, if even Russian is too exotic for Americans? ).
Spock represents many people who live in search for a balance, and he gives us a support during a half of the century. There's more sense than filling a show with characters who are poorly written and have zero development, but formally represent your group.

 

[Shenanigans]

That's why I love Star Trek universe. It has no need to represent your special group to represent you as a person. In modern TV tradition they suppose you need half-American / half-Iranian character to identify self, so I obviously supposed to need someone who is half-Ukranian / half-Chuvash (do you ever heard of a mix like that, if even Russian is too exotic for Americans? ).
Spock represents many people who live in search for a balance, and he gives us a support during a half of the century. There's more sense than filling a show with characters who are poorly written and have zero development, but formally represent your group.

It is pretty sad and telling that the phenomenon of casting people other than straight white males has a name. There are good ways and bad ways (Like mainly casting black people as kligons)to do it. The thing is that we need poc, white women, lgbt etc in more than one type of role and not just as supporting characters.

 

[hyzmarca]

Seven was practically a genius on Voyager and her struggle was to regain her humanity so I would think after tragedies and mistakes she would fall back on her borg ways for comfort. She would be leading the rangers with brutal efficiency and precision. It just doesnt seem like that character would turn to drinking and brooding like Rios. When she had setbacks on Voyager more of her borg side came out.

And yes 20 years time anyone can change into anything, Picard could be a mob crime boss or lead singer of a rock band etc.. but I think some stuff doesn't quite ring true to the character we know. Picard at least still seemed like Picard

Reading interviews, the justification is that she adapted. She got to Earth, and it wasn't like being on Voyager. It wasn't as safe, it wasn't as forgiving, people found her deameanor and manner of speech to be unsettling. So she adapted, like a good Borg would, threw herself into acting like a normal human. She very deliberately and systematically changed the way she talks, dresses, and acts so that she could function in the Federation.

 

[cooleddie74]

If people on message boards spend more time complaining about the gender, sexuality or skin color of an actor cast to play a role than the character they were hired to portray then all I can say is you missed the point of Star Trek. Ever see the lead cast in Trek from 1967 to 1969? Two white American males(one played by a Canadian), a half-human, half-Vulcan hybrid, a Scotsman(played by another Canadian), a black woman, an Asian man and even a Russian during the Cold War here in the real world. Star Trek has been doing the "progressive casting" thing ever since Captain Pike's first officer was an assertive woman who also helped fly the Enterprise.

 

[F. King Daniel]

If people on message boards spend more time complaining about the gender, sexuality or skin color of an actor cast to play a role than the character they were hired to portray then all I can say is you missed the point of Star Trek. Ever see the lead cast in Trek from 1967 to 1969? Two white American males(one played by a Canadian), a half-human, half-Vulcan hybrid, a Scotsman(played by another Canadian), a black woman, an Asian man and even a Russian during the Cold War here in the real world. Star Trek has been doing the "progressive casting" thing ever since Captain Pike's first officer was an assertive woman who also helped fly the Enterprise.

Yes but if you do it now it's white genocide. Or forced inclusion. Or something.

 

[cooleddie74]

Then I guess I'm History's Greatest Monster.

Well, I am and for completely different reasons, but for the sake of the argument in this thread I also am.

 

[fireproof78]

How about we value everyone?

 

[cooleddie74]

Commie.

You'd better hope Robau didn't hear you say that.

 

[fireproof78]

Commie.

You'd better hope Robau didn't hear you say that.

Obviously, Robau is the exception. To every rule.

 

[Shenanigans]

How about we value everyone?

I think these people have repeatedly given a resounding no to that proposition.

 

[fireproof78]

I think these people have repeatedly given a resounding no to that proposition.

I am a slow learner.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

I hate to be a buzzkill, but isn't the topic about wether Seven is straight or lesbian? I maintain that Voyager portrayed her as straight to the extent of having MARRIED Chakotay! Admiral Janeway got Voyager home early, landing us in the Picard timeline. 20 years later, and she is bi or lesbian, because she "held hands" with a woman? Even if that is intended... It's inconsistent with source material, and it's not built up to within the Picard show.

If Seven likes women, write it into the show. We need something more than, because... That is lazy writing. It's mostly because of Voyager's finale that I onject to this on the basis of, it is inconsistent.

 

[Turtletrekker]

@Admiral Jean-Luc Picard Voyager portrayed Seven as someone just taking the first steps of exploring her sexuality. There was enough of a vibe between Seven and Janeway that Seven has been a queer icon for decades. That she married Chakotay in one timeline doesn't definitively prove anything at all. A lot of people discover their true sexuality later in life. Maybe she goes both ways. Who knows?

You say, "write it into the show", but that's not the right approach to take. That's making a sign with an arrow and saying "look here, look what we did!" THAT'S bad writing. The fact that it's understated to the point that it's just considered normal is a much better way to approach it.

 

[NCC-73515]

I hate to be a buzzkill, but isn't the topic about wether Seven is straight or lesbian? I maintain that Voyager portrayed her as straight to the extent of having MARRIED Chakotay! Admiral Janeway got Voyager home early, landing us in the Picard timeline. 20 years later, and she is bi or lesbian, because she "held hands" with a woman? Even if that is intended... It's inconsistent with source material, and it's not built up to within the Picard show.

If Seven likes women, write it into the show. We need something more than, because... That is lazy writing. It's mostly because of Voyager's finale that I onject to this on the basis of, it is inconsistent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisexuality

 

[fireproof78]

I hate to be a buzzkill, but isn't the topic about wether Seven is straight or lesbian? I maintain that Voyager portrayed her as straight to the extent of having MARRIED Chakotay! Admiral Janeway got Voyager home early, landing us in the Picard timeline. 20 years later, and she is bi or lesbian, because she "held hands" with a woman? Even if that is intended... It's inconsistent with source material, and it's not built up to within the Picard show.

If Seven likes women, write it into the show. We need something more than, because... That is lazy writing. It's mostly because of Voyager's finale that I onject to this on the basis of, it is inconsistent.

One, people can like men AND women.

Two, Seven was hardly fully developed in terms of self-identity, and sexuality.

Three, using the VOY finale as evidence of inconsistencies is odd. That timeline did not go forward, and many consider the Seven/Chakotay pairing forced, to say the least.

 

[Jayson1]

I like the idea it took Seven time to truly figure herself out but not so much that she didn't value her time on Voyager or it held her back. She had a close friend in EMH, and Naomi and son in Icheb and mother figure in Janeway and she seemed to have been liked and respected by most except Torres and she was around yet to be traumatized by seeing poor Tuvix's bloody execution were Janeway tortures him by making him do a death march to sickbay just to savior the moment of his doom or so I recollect.


Jason

 

[Danja]

she was around yet to be traumatized by seeing poor Tuvix's bloody execution were Janeway tortures him by making him do a death march to sickbay just to savior the moment of his doom or so I recollect.

Tuvix was S2. Seven didn't come on board until S4.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuvix

 

[Jayson1]

Tuvix was S2. Seven didn't come on board until S4.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuvix

I know. That's what I meant by her missing it. She never saw the murderous lust in Janeways eyes as she violently plunged the hypospray into him and suppress laughter as the transporter ripped him apart and creating new versions of Tuvok and Neelix.

Jason

 

[Gov Kodos]

I hate to be a buzzkill,

Why do people say things like this? They always do anyway so drop the pretense.

but isn't the topic about wether Seven is straight or lesbian?

For some more than others.

I maintain that Voyager portrayed her as straight to the extent of having MARRIED Chakotay!

They portrayed her being put with males. That doesn't preclude her being interested outside the box. He Borg experience saw sex in purely utilitarian terms. The Doctor and Janeway only pointed her to one option. She did the Borg dance and assimilated what she was told. Evidently, the human side kicked in and said WTF to that.

Admiral Janeway got Voyager home early, landing us in the Picard timeline. 20 years later, and she is bi or lesbian, because she "held hands" with a woman?

Amazing what folks have conniptions about. Women holding hands. What's next, snogging, having opinions, not needing men in order to be fulfilled in their relationships? Before you know it, dogs and cats living together.

Even if that is intended... It's inconsistent with source material, and it's not built up to within the Picard show.

No, it's not inconsistent. It's establishing a growth of character. Holding hands and hanging out is how a lot of people start out.

If Seven likes women, write it into the show.

They did.

We need something more than, because...

Who's 'we'?

That is lazy writing.

No, not really.

It's mostly because of Voyager's finale that I onject to this on the basis of, it is inconsistent.

Voyager was a long time ago. Things change. They always do.