I went with a 5 since I really want Star Trek installments to become more like Better Call Saul or El Camino, meaning that first and foremost they’d utterly restrict themselves into creating an almost perfect sequel or prequel environment (aside from actors aging), to the point where as few people as possible would find cause to argue that a setting twenty years after Nemesis shouldn’t look or feel precisely like this — and then carefully develop cinematography, characters and plotting in order to create highly innovative episodes within established restrictions. It should be impossible to distract the viewer with different eye candy or lifted censorship since so much would rely on the core characters and their stories as the writers make the maximum effort to develop them within those constraints.
Season 1 as a Whole
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They were.
Well, yeah, MacGyver ran until 1992 but it's still an '80s show.
Not here
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But they're not from there, they're from here. 
I liked some of the episodes as episodes but as a season? - only 2. I felt it was sloppy as an arc. The Romulans making such a dig deal of things and then all that Riker does is quote treaty and the Romulans are off. The Data angle concluded indifferently and this thing of dodging death by uploading into a robot body is not something that ever finds favour with me when I see it. I felt Jeri Ryan was playing Jeri Ryan and not some evo of Seven. So I wasn't impressed by it as an arc show.
It's not as cripplingly bad as it was with parts of DSCO's first season, but still a notable gripe. I just hope Season 2 is longer and more fleshed out, helping with the pacing.
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I really really wanted to like it. In some of my more nostalgic moments I even convinced myself that I did. But, ultimately, I just don't think it was very good.
My problem is the same problem that I've had with all Trek for the last two decades: inconsistent writing. Now in an episodic format you can just skip over the displeasing parts. You can't really do that with the serialized format, unfortunately, and you end up with a curate's egg.
My problem is the same problem that I've had with all Trek for the last two decades: inconsistent writing. Now in an episodic format you can just skip over the displeasing parts. You can't really do that with the serialized format, unfortunately, and you end up with a curate's egg.
They spent the majority of the season playing up the threat of the END OF ALL LIFE AS WE KNOW IT, and how the Zhat Vash have been preparing for hundreds and thousands of years to prevent this prophesied apocalypse from happening and then when they have proof that's it real, and it's happening, right now, Riker shows up and they just throw their hands in the air and are like Oh well, we tried. Lets go home. It's not worth dying to prevent the END OF ALL LIFE AS WE KNOW IT.
There was some seemingly unintentional irony in that scene. Data is telling Picard what it means to be human, to live and die, and yet, Picard dies but comes back to life. In a brand new body. It felt cheap.
I'm not too familiar with Seven's character from Voyager. Was she a "badass" on that show? I read somewhere else that she was a scientist. From what I saw of this show, she was playing a stereotypical hard-nosed action hero.
Conceptually, brilliant.
Love the idea of it being more like a mini-series: literally one single story, being told across 10 episodes.
Also that it's more like a personal story, and askew to the usual Starfleet-focus. DS9 came closest before this to showing the reality of the Star Trek universe 'outside' of Starfleet/Federation, but even there our primary introduction and focus characters were always Starfleet. This is the first time we really get to see how gritty everything is, away from the comfort of Starfleet's chaise-lounge bridges.
Similarly, the old characters brought back outside the Starfleet lense. A very humbled Jean Luc, not the commanding semi-military presence he once was. Riker and Troi, exuding domesticity and not being a part of a military chain of command in their relationship with Picard. Seven of Nine striving forward on her own.
All of this is good.
The story being told is... so-so.
The synths/replicants plot line feels cliched. Also, it's obvious that the story took a ramp off the highway in terms of story development somewhere along the way, and the stitches where they've tried to sew it together are evident. The Riker and Troi episode feels... episodic, and an obvious later addition, intended to paper over where the storyline fell apart. Signs of this mess in the writer's room are everywhere. The inconsistency of the characters especially. Captain Rios is probably the only one I felt was consistent all the way through.
All in all, a mixed bag. I'll give it 6.
Love the idea of it being more like a mini-series: literally one single story, being told across 10 episodes.
Also that it's more like a personal story, and askew to the usual Starfleet-focus. DS9 came closest before this to showing the reality of the Star Trek universe 'outside' of Starfleet/Federation, but even there our primary introduction and focus characters were always Starfleet. This is the first time we really get to see how gritty everything is, away from the comfort of Starfleet's chaise-lounge bridges.
Similarly, the old characters brought back outside the Starfleet lense. A very humbled Jean Luc, not the commanding semi-military presence he once was. Riker and Troi, exuding domesticity and not being a part of a military chain of command in their relationship with Picard. Seven of Nine striving forward on her own.
All of this is good.
The story being told is... so-so.
The synths/replicants plot line feels cliched. Also, it's obvious that the story took a ramp off the highway in terms of story development somewhere along the way, and the stitches where they've tried to sew it together are evident. The Riker and Troi episode feels... episodic, and an obvious later addition, intended to paper over where the storyline fell apart. Signs of this mess in the writer's room are everywhere. The inconsistency of the characters especially. Captain Rios is probably the only one I felt was consistent all the way through.
All in all, a mixed bag. I'll give it 6.
I think the romulans were actually moved by Picard's speech to Soji you could see on her face that she was emotionally touched.
Hardly. Simply living to fight another day. As the Klingons would say, "Only a fool fights in a burning house."
Picard had more to learn.
It was a cheap as Picard getting stabbed through the heart. Make of that what you will.
Except, there's not likely to be another day in the minds of the Zhat Vash because, y'know...Ganmadan, the end of all organic life and all that jazz.
But of course Data didn't have more to learn. Not even the chance to meet his daughter Soji and maybe learn more from her, or her from him
Maybe if Picard had actually died as a young Starfleet officer in that scene you're referencing it would be the same. And also if he just got lectured in that same episode by Data that to be human is to die.
Since it didn't go exactly that way then they might see it as buying some time.
Being familiar with doomsday cults readjustment is the name of the game from the leadership.
Apparently not since he made his choice. Respect his choice.But of course Data didn't have more to learn. Not even the chance to meet his daughter Soji and maybe learn more from her, or her from him
No, just scene were Q felt that Picard needed to revisit it 3 times in order to learn something. So, apparently Picard needs more opportunities to learn something. Because Picard basically spent the time between leaving Starfleet and the shows events wallowing in his own depression. So, killing him at the end of the show once he regains his mojo back feels even more cheap than just killing him.
Then it undermines the threat and diminishes the stakes involved in this End-of-Days prophecy if it ends in a Enterprise/Romulan stalemate like every other Romulan-featured episode of TNG. Business as usual.
Most doomsday cults have to readjust because there's not actual evidence that their prophecies are real. Everyone saw the AI demons coming through the portal. That's more reason to try and finish it.
We're supposed to believe that the Zhat Vash have been around for hundreds or thousands of years, preventing AI advancements and all that stuff. Yet, they never once tried to assassinate Data in order to prevent Ganmadan?
Oh, it's because they didn't want to expose themselves, and they wanted to find more of the synths to prevent this prophecy from coming true.
Now they find all the synths and their creator on one planet, see proof of the prophecy and that advanced, organic AI demons are real, and existence of the Zhat Vash has been revealed but...they don't want to risk their own lives to stop this threat once and for all. The other people that died for the cause just to see a vision of the prophecy, that's okay.
Dying to prevent the prophecy from actually coming true...hey, it's not that serious. They got families back home.
He's not a real person. The writers wrote the scene that way, and the execution of it wasn't very good.
Is Data omnipotent like Q now?
And I don't think they needed to kill Picard in the first place. Especially if they were just going to bring him back 5 minutes later.
Disagree since I don't think it underminded the threat but exposed that their paranoia was not justified at this time.
And then the demons left, preventing Ganmadan. Again, it's foolishness to pursue complete destruction of yourself when you realize the end didn't come.
Unrelated to them attempting to kill Data. Are the Zhat Vash Q now?
Agree to disagree at this point.
Agree to disagree. The time frame of his death means nothing to me. His choice means everything.
The demons didn't leave. The beacon/portal closed preventing all of them from coming through. The threat is still there.
All that for a regular episode of TNG. It was all very anticlimactic.
I never compared them to Q so...
What could they have accomplished since the threat they are worried about, the portal, is no longer accessible? How in the world do they basically suicide run themselves in to Starfleet's fleet and not accomplish their mission?
Sounds like a perfect plan...
You compared Data to Q so I was riffing on your comparison.
It's a joke, my friend. Why so serious?
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