Out of nowhere, with zero build-up, thrown in at the last minute?
No. But 5 gay senior crew members in 3 seasons is.
I would love to see gay characters on screen, done properly.
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Out of nowhere, with zero build-up, thrown in at the last minute?
No. But 5 gay senior crew members in 3 seasons is.
I would love to see gay characters on screen, done properly.
Tell that to the C/7 crowd ("Chakotay LOVED her! Where IS he?")
Nothing says "I love you" more than throwing someone out an airlock.
Seven seemed at peace for once.
You know. I feel safe in saying that if nothing hasn't happened in a relationship in twenty years that some parties might have moved on.Tell that to the C/7 crowd ("Chakotay LOVED her! Where IS he?")
Nothing says "I love you" more than throwing someone out an airlock.
But, I'm no expert.
I've cautioned you more than once about uncivil behavior like this. You now have a one-week reply ban from this thread to think it over.
Catsuit.. Well.. Give Jeri her own desires.. Was she okay with wearing a catsuit in the day? I mean if A woman Wants to wear something sexy.. She should be allowed to.. Up to her or anybody what they wear or show of.. I know plenty of women who like to dress up to the 9s and flaunt what they have.. Personal preference and shouldn't be poo poo'd
Not even a little.
It made her physically ill. The only reason she put up with it was because she had a kid to feed.
She said in an interview that she knew what was getting into when she went in for her costume fitting.
Anyone who can wear a catsuit, corset, and heels for four seasons is tough AF.
#Respect
You have the perfect avatar for that comment. Well done sir
Jolene wore one for two seasons and some probably consider her more functional uniforms for Seasons 3 and 4 to be catsuits as well, just less obnoxious ones that don't make her look like Seven of Nine.
But you were already angry at the first gay couple before the next 3 people were added so its clearly not the numbers are the problem
I think in the future, people will wear whatever they want. It's the only way to explain the horrible costuming in TNG. I thought it got better from the DS9/VOY years and on. If they were trying to convey "This is a sci-fi character!" it worked. But I never thought much about it. I was more interested in Seven's character arc during the fourth season.
From the fifth season on, I think she was running in place most of the time but there's only so much you can do once everything's a monotonous routine and you have two people like The Doctor and Janeway breathing down your neck constantly making note of if you so much as even move a muscle differently. Sadly, I can relate to this. I didn't "fit in" until I found my own niche in college, I wasn't interested in conforming to the norm or doing what I was "supposed to do", and I did NOT like having parents who were trying to watch me so closely or wouldn't let me do anything to the point where I had to start doing things behind their back just to get out from underneath their eye. So I don't blame Seven for also wanting to have a secret little double-life in "Human Error". I completely understand it.
So I didn't really give a shit about the catsuit. I was more focused on the character. This was someone I could identify with. Otherwise, I wasn't much of a fan of VOY. She's the reason I watched as long as I did. Otherwise, I would've stopped watching sooner since (unlike a lot of other people here) I don't stick around watching things I'm not a fan of. I mean, sure, Spock was half-Human and half-Vulcan and I could identify being of two cultures, being half-American and half-Iranian, but Seven wasn't like anyone else and didn't appreciate being forced to be like anyone else. And that's what I identify with more (then and now). It's not what you are, it's who you are.
From the fifth season on, I think she was running in place most of the time but there's only so much you can do once everything's a monotonous routine and you have two people like The Doctor and Janeway breathing down your neck constantly making note of if you so much as even move a muscle differently. Sadly, I can relate to this. I didn't "fit in" until I found my own niche in college, I wasn't interested in conforming to the norm or doing what I was "supposed to do", and I did NOT like having parents who were trying to watch me so closely or wouldn't let me do anything to the point where I had to start doing things behind their back just to get out from underneath their eye. So I don't blame Seven for also wanting to have a secret little double-life in "Human Error". I completely understand it.
So I didn't really give a shit about the catsuit. I was more focused on the character. This was someone I could identify with. Otherwise, I wasn't much of a fan of VOY. She's the reason I watched as long as I did. Otherwise, I would've stopped watching sooner since (unlike a lot of other people here) I don't stick around watching things I'm not a fan of. I mean, sure, Spock was half-Human and half-Vulcan and I could identify being of two cultures, being half-American and half-Iranian, but Seven wasn't like anyone else and didn't appreciate being forced to be like anyone else. And that's what I identify with more (then and now). It's not what you are, it's who you are.
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The writing is what keeps people coming back week after week (Exhibit A: T'Pol).
I too can relate to her.
Seven is a misfit. She has no idea what the "rules" are, yet she's expected to adhere to them. I relate to her on that level.
She was treated as a "project". I can relate to that as well.
The Doctor issued her a set of instructions on how to date! Can you really blame her for saying, "Screw this! I'm gonna do what I want!"
Seven spent twenty years in the Borg, yet Janeway expected her to throw it all away and be "human" ( whatever that means). Just pretend that a huge portion of her life never happened. Janeway wanted her to deny that a large portion of her identity existed.
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I'm sure Chakotay be like, "I ruined her for other men"
I'm still a little flummoxed that anything on Picard could seem forced. Heck even if I was to believe that is something that happens a lot how in the world does one hand holding in the last few minutes of a episode without dialogue with two characters who aren't even officially proven to be gay or bi onscreen but only in subtext and behind the scenes talk count as being 'forced" or "in your face." Like I said I like stuff when it's subtle but this would be a good case of being TO subtle. If anything trying to be modern was a little forced with sunglasses and the hipster dating and having Rios doing a little to much Han Soloing in his first scene but that was it.
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After Picard's death they could have had Rios comforting Elnor and Raffi with Seven so they would have had a scene to connect beforehand. Maybe Raffi patches Seven up after the fight and they have some sparks there.
It's going to be interesting to see how they'll just jump right into hand holding in season 2 when they didnt have a whole lot of interaction yet
It's going to be interesting to see how they'll just jump right into hand holding in season 2 when they didnt have a whole lot of interaction yet
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Humans are built for connection. They found a connection.
Simple as that.
Simple as that.
I don't blame some people for not getting Seven in Picard, but I'm beginning to actually like this gritty version of Seven. I thought her being there was gimmicky at first.
This is so wrong, but when she promised Picard she would take no revenge, and then went and beamed back down firing everywhere like crazy, it was so crazy it was almost funny.
True. The very first shot of her after after they removed most of her implants and gave her a outfit, she's doing this sexy body builder pose. No exaggeration.
But still.......have you ever seen her just walking down hallway, or just anywhere, period??
I was reading an article that referenced an old GLAAD article on Seven during Voyager’s run. It mention that she would explore dating and some of these dates would be same sex. So her being gay or bi could be some of the original intent for the character.
I went to Memory Alpha to look up any info on the writers' intent but then went to the LGBT Wikia instead. Here's what I found in this article, which references that GLAAD article:
There's no doubt in my mind that "unnamed superior" was Rick Berman.
This is the part that's interesting:
This would be something to look out for. It looks like I unfortunately have all of April off. So I'll have plenty of time to put on these episodes at some point to look out for these sections of dialogue.
One thing I do remember is that in a seventh season episode, "Flesh and Blood", they had to hide The Doctor in Seven's body. At one point, the Doctor posing as Seven was interested in a woman in the episode and -- in retrospect -- now it looks like the writers might've been thumbing their noses at Rick juuuuust a little and could hide behind saying "It's not really Seven, it's The Doctor!"
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