The Stargate Franchise - A First Timer's Watchthrough

[David cgc]

So, I'm seeing a little confusion on the gate-redirect thing. That was first seen in "Solitudes," and becomes a fairly common trick later on in the show. The way it works is, you overcharge the originating gate, which causes the connection to jump from the destination to the closest other Stargate to the destination. When they set off the bomb in "A Matter of Time," the wormhole (which was being "sent" from Earth, not to Earth) overcharged, and jumped from the black hole planet's gate to the next closest gate to it (which they mentioned, P3X-whatever). Since Earth was no longer connected to a black hole, they could shut down the gate normally (apparently after sending a MALP and figuring out where the connection jumped to). Abydos and the Beta Gate are completely uninvolved, since they're the closest gates to the SGC, and that end of the wormhole didn't move. From the perspective of the poor bastards on the Black Hole planet, the gate just shut down.

You can only use the overcharge-redirect on outgoing wormholes, so, like, when Apophis was being an asshole at the beginning of the series and tying up the SGC gate and throwing rocks (or bodies) at the iris, SG-1 couldn't have set off a bomb from their end to break the connection.

I always thought it was a bit of a contrivance that the episode got them to change from an incoming wormhole (the one SG-10 dialed) to an outgoing one that the SGC had a little bit of influence over. It's equally plausible that SG-10's wormhole would've remained open the entire time. That would've been "game over" ... the SGC couldn't have done a thing to save themselves.

Could be one of those safety features on the DHD they keep mentioning; once the Black Hole planet's gate understood what was happening, it cut the connection.

 

[Silvercrest]

What's the confusion? That's close to the same thing I wrote.


The "contrivance" was that SG-10's wormhole shut down and the SGC redialed, thus switching the storyline from dealing with an incoming wormhole to dealing with an outgoing one.

 

[Romulan_spy]

The "contrivance" was that SG-10's wormhole shut down and the SGC redialed, thus switching the storyline from dealing with an incoming wormhole to dealing with an outgoing one.

Yeah, it's a bit of a contrivance. The black hole should have kept the first worm hole open. I am guessing the answer is that the gravitational effects were still weak enough to allow the gate to shut down the first time.

 

[Marc]

when I read this my first thought was, "Heck of a present for the SGC to send to Abydos..."

Spoiler

Didn't Abydos wind up a dead world at some point?

 

[DonIago]

Spoiler: Abydos

Only after the people ascended! No idea what happened to the animal life though.

 

[JD]

All this talk about Apophis reminded me of something they did with the Goa'uld later in the series that I loved.

Spoiler: Goa'uld late in the series

It cracked me up how they had them stop doing the voice thing once they were defeated, and weren't the big, all powerfull "gods" anymore.

 

[Romulan_spy]

All this talk about Apophis reminded me of something they did with the Goa'uld later in the series that I loved.

Spoiler: Goa'uld late in the series

It cracked me up how they had them stop doing the voice thing once they were defeated, and weren't the big, all powerfull "gods" anymore.

Spoiler: Goauld

Yeah, I think (if I am remembering correctly) there is an episode in season 9 or 10 where Baal admits that the Goauld never needed to do the voice thing. It implied that they only did it to make themselves sound more intimidating.

 

[JD]

Spoiler: same

I don't think it was Baal, I thought it was a different Gao'uld.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Spoiler: same

I don't think it was Baal, I thought it was a different Gao'uld.

Spoiler: Goauld

Now that I think about it, it might have been the Goauld Nerus (the fat one who loves to eat in the episode) in the episode season 9 "Beachhead". I think there is a scene where he does not use the voice and he is asked why and he says the Goauld never needed to do it.

 

[DonIago]

^Apparently that's correct per https://www.reddit.com/r/Stargate/comments/30ajrd/why_do_the_voices_of_the_goauld_change/

 

[David cgc]

The Tok'ra use the scary voice as an easy way to distinguish whether the symbiont or the host is speaking.

Spoiler: Later on

Tanith also used the normal voice after he was implanted, to pretend his host thought he was an a-okay, stand-up guy who totally wasn't a spy that wanted to murder everyone.

 

[captainkirk]

Spoiler: Voice

I always assumed they stopped making Baal's voice deeper because they thought Cliff Simon's accent sounded alien enough. He was the only system lord to regularly use his normal voice.

 

[JD]

Spoiler: Goauld

Now that I think about it, it might have been the Goauld Nerus (the fat one who loves to eat in the episode) in the episode season 9 "Beachhead". I think there is a scene where he does not use the voice and he is asked why and he says the Goauld never needed to do it.

Yeah, that's the scene I was thinking of.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

It wasn't intended to be the Antarctic gate or Abydos, but another world that happened to be in line between Earth and the black hole planet. They named the address of the other world, but I can't remember it.

The reason the Stargate shut down after that was because it would have its attention divided between two destinations and couldn't sustain a wormhole to either one. I read this somewhere; not sure if it was stated in the episode or not.

I've also read speculation that Colonel Cromwell could still be alive. If the wormhole was redirected to another world, he could've been dumped out there instead.

Edit: Also remember that there's no way it could've been the Antarctic gate because it was an outgoing wormhole ... the originating address would be Earth's, and for all intents and purposes the Antarctic gate's address is the same as the SGC's.

I always thought it was a bit of a contrivance that the episode got them to change from an incoming wormhole (the one SG-10 dialed) to an outgoing one that the SGC had a little bit of influence over. It's equally plausible that SG-10's wormhole would've remained open the entire time. That would've been "game over" ... the SGC couldn't have done a thing to save themselves.

I forget their explanation for why SG-10s outgoing gate didn't stay open the same way, maybe the black hole wasn't quite close enough yet? Or maybe it was that the 38 minute count starts from the perspective of the end gate.

 

[The Wormhole]

Spoiler: Goa'uld voice

Although it was season 9 they come out and say the Goa'uld don't actually need to speak with that voice, it was clear well before that wasn't the case anyway, going all the way back to Hathor in season 1 who didn't always speak with the voice. Likewise, throughout the series we often run in with "undercover" Goa'uld spies who don't bother using the voice until after they are exposed.

Although I remember speculation prior to season 9 that the reason why Hathor spoke with a normal voice was because she had a willing host, to also tie in with why she always spoke in the third person and referred to herself as "we."

 

[tomalak301]

One False Step

I found this episode rather boring, probably the weakest of the season so far. It's basically the SG-1 team standing around trying to figure out why these inhabitants are getting sick, and it has to do with disrupting the symbiotic sound relationship between them and plants. Also, why would headaches make Daniel and Jack snap at each other, almost like they were ready to come to blows? I will say the final scene where the plants really do grow is beautiful though, and can we get Dr. Frasier to be a part of the main cast. I really like her character and she's just as regular as the rest of them. Also, I miss Walter.

 

[Romulan_spy]

One False Step

I found this episode rather boring, probably the weakest of the season so far. It's basically the SG-1 team standing around trying to figure out why these inhabitants are getting sick, and it has to do with disrupting the symbiotic sound relationship between them and plants. Also, why would headaches make Daniel and Jack snap at each other, almost like they were ready to come to blows? I will say the final scene where the plants really do grow is beautiful though, and can we get Dr. Frasier to be a part of the main cast. I really like her character and she's just as regular as the rest of them. Also, I miss Walter.

I can see why you thought the episode was boring. But I thought the concept of this primitive tribe that does not have a language but sings and has a symbiotic relationship with the weird alien flowers was a neat idea. We get to see Daniel use his language skills to try to find a way to communicate. There are some other episodes where SG1 has to communicate with more primitive aliens that are handled quite well. I appreciate that the show presents first contact in a more realistic way, with no easy universal translator.Also, the episode is reminiscent of how the Europeans infected the native american tribes with diseases. But I agree that Dr. Frasier is great. She does get a bigger role in some episodes.

 

[tomalak301]

I can see why you thought the episode was boring. But I thought the concept of this primitive tribe that does not have a language but sings and has a symbiotic relationship with the weird alien flowers was a neat idea. We get to see Daniel use his language skills to try to find a way to communicate. There are some other episodes where SG1 has to communicate with more primitive aliens that are handled quite well. I appreciate that the show presents first contact in a more realistic way, with no easy universal translator.Also, the episode is reminiscent of how the Europeans infected the native american tribes with diseases. But I agree that Dr. Frasier is great. She does get a bigger role in some episodes.

I do think it is a neat idea, and there were some things about this episode that were interesting, but the execution was just really slow.

 

[The Wormhole]

Also, I miss Walter.

Oh, yeah. I forgot how the second and third seasons for some reason only had Walter show up sporadically. It seems so weird looking back at those years, particularly how in later years he becomes such a fixture to the SGC.

 

[JD]

I will say the final scene where the plants really do grow is beautiful though, and can we get Dr. Frasier to be a part of the main cast. I really like her character and she's just as regular as the rest of them.

I swear there was at least one or two seasons where she was in the main cast.