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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x10 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2"

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If you ask me, it's a good sign that the writers were not concerned about "old stereotypes." Black women are just as human as anyone else and do not have to be portrayed as magical beings who are never flawed f*ck-ups.

There are other ways to make a black woman flawed without stooping to the obvious and even racist. I don't know why you're trying to defend something that, even when given the most extreme benefit of the doubt, is super, thoughtlessly lazy. It certainly isn't a "good sign" of anything.
 
If you ask me, it's a good sign that the writers were not concerned about "old stereotypes." Black women are just as human as anyone else and do not have to be portrayed as magical beings who are never flawed f*ck-ups.
That’s a fraught perspective because it justifies stereotypical portrayals. People of color have long been stereotyped as being prone to substance abuse and having broken families, and media has played on this for ages. Yes there are people in any group who fit a stereotype, but when their group is routinely portrayed that way you can’t really just dismiss that as “the way it is”. The cultural baggage is just too heavy.
 
Elnor was being Absolutely Candid.

Nah, I can't even handwave it away as Elnor being Elnor. That was an asinine comment to put in the mouth of an orphan Romulan refugee, and Seven's "what about me" just fizzled as a response. Like I said way upthread, there's the germ of a good idea in there, but Chabon didn't put in the work to express it at all well. (Not to mention the slipshod job of deciding that whole exchange was more important than, you know, making room to resolve the xB plot.)
 
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The xB's were the biggest missed opportunity of the entire season, far moreso than the lack of resolution over Commodore Oh and her treachery. We got no closure whatsoever so while this final episode of the season wasn't a cliffhanger per se it left a lot of hanging threads that should have been tackled before the end credits rolled.

I can buy the Federation Council groaning and letting Jurati slide with a stern lecture and psychiatric treatment. But the xB's just being left to fend for themselves and in a crashed Borg cube on a planet populated by artificial life forms that until now had been illegal in the Federation? That's a pretty big dropping of the ball.
 
Drug addiction?

Wesley didn't know what drug addiction was.

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30 years, my how things change.
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Wesley's a sheltered kid but his mom knows the tell tale signs of a high.
 
The xB's were the biggest missed opportunity of the entire season, far moreso than the lack of resolution over Commodore Oh and her treachery. We got no closure whatsoever so while this final episode of the season wasn't a cliffhanger per se it left a lot of hanging threads that should have been tackled before the end credits rolled.

Yeah. And, in fairness, some of it could be picked up next season if the showrunners decide to go there - the Romulans spending umpity years harvesting Borg tech, whether Soong can be trusted to shepherd the xBs any better than he did his "children", all that good stuff. For me, the head-scratching bit is that that there wasn't even a line dedicated to "Oh, the synths will be caring for the xB to learn more about organic life" or some such when the welfare of Hugh's charges was pretty darned important to Elnor's motivations and potentially Seven's.
 
Yeah. And, in fairness, some of it could be picked up next season if the showrunners decide to go there - the Romulans spending umpity years harvesting Borg tech, whether Soong can be trusted to shepherd the xBs any better than he did his "children", all that good stuff. For me, the head-scratching bit is that that there wasn't even a line dedicated to "Oh, the synths will be caring for the xB to learn more about organic life" or some such when the welfare of Hugh's charges was pretty darned important to Elnor's motivations and potentially Seven's.
Honestly, this is why I loved this season. Everything feels wide open.
 
But there's another way to look at this too. Regardless of your age, disembodiment for 20 years will change your perspective. Data died in NEM through his actions. Picard in PIC died from a defect. Data chose his end, he chose to sacrifice himself. Picard didn't get to make any such choice in his situation with the defect.

But Data wasn't suicidal. He chose to give his life for Picard, and that's great for him, but I think if he had the choice for both to survive, he would take it. I would be willing to guess that when someone dies a heroic death, he doesn't do so wanting to die--he does so trying to save others. And if that hero has the choice to save others while living, I would be willing to guess that 100 percent of people like that would choose life.

Data didn't choose to die in Nemesis--he chose to give up his life to save Picard.

First Contact is my favorite TNG Movie by far, I like Discovery (as much as I like Picard, I'll have you know), and I like Voyager enough on-balance that I wouldn't want it to go. But I can do without everything else on your list

I think it's safe to say that they will NEVER make the decision to say that Picard never left the nexus. Not only would it be a twist that no one would have the guts to make, but because it would completely invalidate all Trek that came after 1994, they wouldn't want the backlash. Yes, a lot of people, maybe even more than not, do not like most Trek after 1994, FC notwithstanding, but they would never do that. Whether I agree or not, people do like those incarnations. Now in theory, even if they never happened in the "real Trek world," they would still be canon, even if they were part of Picard's nexus world.

But still, I'm pretty sure you will never have to worry about this problem.

Rafi was flawed, no doubt, but I guess they wanted to show that humanity isn't much different near the turn of the 25th century. I don't know if that was a right decision, given where humanity should be in GR's universe. It's an interesting debate, but not one that I feel should be held against the writers, who I will bet did not intend any racism.



Except he wished to be dead. He is no longer the only synthetic lifeform out there and has been stuck in limbo for years.

I don't like it but I definitely see the respecting a person's wishes to die position.

I understand that, but I feel it's out of character for Data, who only wanted to be human, and being human means living.

Data actually remembers dying, which is a strong implication that this is indeed Data himself, not some copy.

Brent Spiner is also just done playing the character too.

First, they could have built Data a body that could allow him to age. The technology seems to have improved. Second, it's a problem when the actor's wishes move to the character. In real world terms, it only makes sense that Data chose to die because Brent Spiner wanted it. In Star Trek terms, that was very out of character and nonsensical.

That’s a fraught perspective because it justifies stereotypical portrayals. People of color have long been stereotyped as being prone to substance abuse and having broken families, and media has played on this for ages. Yes there are people in any group who fit a stereotype, but when their group is routinely portrayed that way you can’t really just dismiss that as “the way it is”. The cultural baggage is just too heavy.

What are the statistics on that? Real world ones. Just making up a number, but what if 75% of families of a certain race are broken homes? Is it racial to portray a family of the same race as a broken home, or racial NOT to do so? We have seen our share of broken families in Star Trek, as Starfleet really isn't that great for being a nuclear family in general. As for the drug use, I hated that. I also hated the cigars. It seems inconsistent with GR's world.

But devil's advocate--this is Star Trek--a more idealistic and optimistic view of the future. Perhaps it IS better to portray strong nuclear families, especially fathers of color. Ben Sisko was one of if not THE best fathers in Star Trek.
 
And regarding Data, why would he want to die? That made no sense either. If that was truly his consciousness, then why not just put THAT into a new body? That whole explanation about life being finite was nice, but a load of garbage, considering that Data didn't really live that long. It's not like he was hundreds of years old. Data was found in 2338 and died in 2379. 41 years is enough for him?
LAFORGE: Data, this has got to bother you a little.
DATA: On the contrary. I find it rather comforting.
LAFORGE: Comforting?
DATA: I have often wondered about my own mortality as I have seen others around me age. Until now it has been theoretically possible that I would live an unlimited period of time. And although some might find this attractive, to me it only reinforces the fact that I am artificial.
LAFORGE: I never knew how tough this must be for you.
DATA: Tough? As in difficult?
LAFORGE: Knowing that you would outlive all your friends.
DATA: I expected to make new friends.
LAFORGE: True.
DATA: And then to outlive them as well.
LAFORGE: Now that you know that you might not?
DATA: It provides a sense of completion to my future. In a way, I am not that different from anyone else. I can now look forward to death.
LAFORGE: I never thought of it that way.
DATA: One might also conclude that it brings me one step closer to being human. I am mortal.
(Time's Arrow, Part 1)

Finally fulfilled here!
 
Data actually remembers dying, which is a strong implication that this is indeed Data himself, not some copy.
No he doesn't. He has a whole conversation with Picard about the fact that Picard remembers dying but Data doesn't, because his consciousness is derived from a copy made before he died.

It was clear to me from the context of the entire show that while a fragment of Data remained and had some form of consciousness within that quantum construct, it wasn't enough to ever again be the real Data in the real world, that putting what remained of his consciousness back into a body was not possible. All that was left was a tiny echo constructed from a backup copy, which could never again be anything more.
 
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