That probably would have made it just a skosh too meta for a lot of people's liking.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x10 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2"
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"Never saw things goin’ so right… Noticing the days hurrying by…"
Well, they certainly stuck the landing in that final episode, didn’t they? I’ve been chewing on my thoughts on the finale, which has been the most exciting episode yet. I surprisingly enjoyed it. I leaned into the nostalgia factor.
Everything fell into place. Almost too easily. Almost too conveniently. But I didn’t get hung up on it. Because after 10 episodes, a glimmer of the Picard we knew shows up. He gives the passionate plea that turns the tide, that wins the day. Words over phasers—the very embodiment of Star Trek.
Starfleet, the organization that is the living manifestation of the Trek ideas, returns to true form. Comes to the defense of the defenseless against an aggressive force. It stands once again on the side of the light. And who better to bring Starfleet back to form then Will Riker, commanding a ridiculously huge armanda, facing off with an equally absurd enormous Romulan flotilla.
The thing that won me over. Data’s farewell. He finally got his “needs of the many” goodbye. And I relished every minute of it. The emotion. The dialogue between Picard and Data… written by a true literary master. Chabon in his finest form thus far in the series.
Yet, I can’t help wondering if it was worth it getting from there to here. The more I wonder, the more I’m left with disappointment. The season and its story doesn’t hold up.
The theme of “being alive is a right and a responsibility” isn’t explored in a truly satisfying way throughout the season and it the individual elements don’t build up to it. It falls apart when looking at the long game. As I’ve said before, there are elements that would make a great story but they don’t rally together well.
PIC is an attempt to create prestige TV with Star Trek, as this Forbes article states.
Don’t get me started on the portrayal of Raffi’s addiction. As a recovered addict, I was excited to see Trek tackle addiction in this manner. But it was lackluster, to say the least. And upsetting that a black woman was not only an addict but also an absentee mother. Umm… that’s relies too much on old stereotypes and a little tone deaf on the part of the show runners.
In any case, I’m interested in where they take season two, especially with Golem-Picard. Will they finally do the deep character dive of Picard we were promised? The character-driven exploration that got sidelined by the Synth arc.
I have further finer questions and issues with the finale… the magic tool that’s all too convenient, the tensionless sterilization orders, Chabon’s reliance on Golems (see his previous work), and no consequences for Jurati for killing Maddox.
Well, they certainly stuck the landing in that final episode, didn’t they? I’ve been chewing on my thoughts on the finale, which has been the most exciting episode yet. I surprisingly enjoyed it. I leaned into the nostalgia factor.
Everything fell into place. Almost too easily. Almost too conveniently. But I didn’t get hung up on it. Because after 10 episodes, a glimmer of the Picard we knew shows up. He gives the passionate plea that turns the tide, that wins the day. Words over phasers—the very embodiment of Star Trek.
Starfleet, the organization that is the living manifestation of the Trek ideas, returns to true form. Comes to the defense of the defenseless against an aggressive force. It stands once again on the side of the light. And who better to bring Starfleet back to form then Will Riker, commanding a ridiculously huge armanda, facing off with an equally absurd enormous Romulan flotilla.
The thing that won me over. Data’s farewell. He finally got his “needs of the many” goodbye. And I relished every minute of it. The emotion. The dialogue between Picard and Data… written by a true literary master. Chabon in his finest form thus far in the series.
Yet, I can’t help wondering if it was worth it getting from there to here. The more I wonder, the more I’m left with disappointment. The season and its story doesn’t hold up.
The theme of “being alive is a right and a responsibility” isn’t explored in a truly satisfying way throughout the season and it the individual elements don’t build up to it. It falls apart when looking at the long game. As I’ve said before, there are elements that would make a great story but they don’t rally together well.
PIC is an attempt to create prestige TV with Star Trek, as this Forbes article states.
So we’re subjected to all those tropes, forced into the show… the unnecessary mystery box… the Game of Throne Romulan twin spies… and less than satisfying exploration of human flaws, such as addiction.
Don’t get me started on the portrayal of Raffi’s addiction. As a recovered addict, I was excited to see Trek tackle addiction in this manner. But it was lackluster, to say the least. And upsetting that a black woman was not only an addict but also an absentee mother. Umm… that’s relies too much on old stereotypes and a little tone deaf on the part of the show runners.
In any case, I’m interested in where they take season two, especially with Golem-Picard. Will they finally do the deep character dive of Picard we were promised? The character-driven exploration that got sidelined by the Synth arc.
I have further finer questions and issues with the finale… the magic tool that’s all too convenient, the tensionless sterilization orders, Chabon’s reliance on Golems (see his previous work), and no consequences for Jurati for killing Maddox.
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I thought they just did a deep dive of Picard's character? I mean, him being so arrogant to walk away from Starfleet and to trash them on the media because they didn't listen to him? Him having to say goodbye to Data, to struggle with his current frailty, his failure with the Romlans as epitomized by Elnor, and his own trauma recovery with the Borg?
I guess I don't know what a deep dive would look like that is as satisfactory as keeps getting pined over on the Interwebz...
I guess I don't know what a deep dive would look like that is as satisfactory as keeps getting pined over on the Interwebz...
Watched the season again, with hindsight I wish the season ended with the android saviours coming through the wormhole as a cliffhanger but the Data death scene had me almost tearing up.
The Blue skies renditon ...beautiful voice
Sir Patrick Stewart is 80 this year, is this why they did an early death and resurrection ending?
The Blue skies renditon ...beautiful voice
Sir Patrick Stewart is 80 this year, is this why they did an early death and resurrection ending?
And each had their different upsides and downsides. Spiner managed to endow each generation of Soong with likable as well as truly bizarre and dislikable personality traits and sell each one as a different person despite their largely identical physical appearances.
Yep they came across as humans who could fit in any century lol
Arik was the criminal mastermind with a core of values that wanted humanity to be the best and the strongest it could be. Noonien was the kind puppetmaster who wanted to extend his own life and its meaning using artificial children who could help carry on his legacy. Altan was the one who probably understood the mistakes of his father and his ancestor and wanted to be the best of them all yet fell victim to the same fanatical devotion to his work, letting his profession blind him to the rights and lives of others.
That was Isa Briones. (Dahj/Soji/Sutra)
I couldn't buy how quickly Soji went to the Synth side. She was having trouble adapting to not being human, but suddenly she's ready to have the SuperSynths come and wipe out all humans?
I bet that bitch Narissa is still alive. She had that personal transport thing.
I bet that bitch Narissa is still alive. She had that personal transport thing.
She found her people. Who needs those murderous humans?
Narrissa screamed all the way down.
I agree. She's too good a villain just to kill off after one season.
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Once she was fully activated her human phobic, genocidal tendencies kicked in - typical android lol
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I'm a little disappointed with the final.
here are some points in order of appearance :
- it was clear that dr jurati is on the side of the humans, but that soji wants to destroy all humans after the discussion in e09 with sutra is a bit surprising.
-when raffi, chris and narek went to the android city, all 3 should have been kept in custody.
- when dr soong sees that sutra has killed her sister saga and not narek he changes sides surprisingly quickly.
-instead of showing the video to all the andorids and soji, he only talks to sutra offside and deactivates her. (I suspect like worf deactivated data in st insurrection).
-soji just carries on as if nothing had happened and dr soong doesn't even try to deactivate her as well.
- then chris tries to destroy the terminal, but only has one grenade with him, narek made 12 of them.
-after the signal was destroyed, they just let oh go, even though she was responsible for the masacre at mars.
- what has become of narek and ramdha is not explained either.
- but the funniest thing is the golem for picard......
that means that all people can become immortal with such a golem (even if there was only one at the moment)
-Picard hopes for 10 or 20 more years...
he's only 94. More likely, 30 or 40 more years.
(dr mc coy was 137 years old in the first tng episode)
the life expectancy of humans probably carries 130-140 years
I thought q would heal picard and dr soong would actually be lore...
lore and lal are not even mentioned in the whole series...
(another nice point, jery ryan and peyton list had a stunt double for the small fight)
I'm a little disappointed with the final.
here are some points in order of appearance :
- it was clear that dr jurati is on the side of the humans, but that soji wants to destroy all humans after the discussion in e09 with sutra is a bit surprising.
-when raffi, chris and narek went to the android city, all 3 should have been kept in custody.
- when dr soong sees that sutra has killed her sister saga and not narek he changes sides surprisingly quickly.
-instead of showing the video to all the andorids and soji, he only talks to sutra offside and deactivates her. (I suspect like worf deactivated data in st insurrection).
-soji just carries on as if nothing had happened and dr soong doesn't even try to deactivate her as well.
- then chris tries to destroy the terminal, but only has one grenade with him, narek made 12 of them.
-after the signal was destroyed, they just let oh go, even though she was responsible for the masacre at mars.
- what has become of narek and ramdha is not explained either.
- but the funniest thing is the golem for picard......
that means that all people can become immortal with such a golem (even if there was only one at the moment)
-Picard hopes for 10 or 20 more years...
he's only 94. More likely, 30 or 40 more years.
(dr mc coy was 137 years old in the first tng episode)
the life expectancy of humans probably carries 130-140 years
I thought q would heal picard and dr soong would actually be lore...
lore and lal are not even mentioned in the whole series...
(another nice point, jery ryan and peyton list had a stunt double for the small fight)
Star Trek: First Draft...
I find myself imagining a scene with Picard standing over a grave where his body is buried contemplating on it. Don't know if that fully makes sense but it'd be an interesting image.
I bet Narissa will use the Dark Side to heal her injuries. She'll be back.
It makes sense, but this show isn't really deep enough to go there.
It makes sense, but this show isn't really deep enough to go there.
She'll be a Borg. All hail Queen Narissa!
They have to say something about Jurati's situation next season. As early as possible. Something saying like Jurati wasn't in her right state of mind because of what Oh did to her. It can be something as simple as that. I can rationalize it as such as a viewer but this is an instance where I think it needs to be said out loud in the actual show itself. Otherwise, it's "back at her post like nothing's happened."
I understand that there's no breathing room in a grand season finale where they have to wrap things up in a tiny little bow. But in the beginning of the second season, where the music has stopped, things have slowed down, and the second season's story line begins to build up, they have to devote scenes and moments looking at where the characters are in the aftermath. I believe they will do this, but I'm typing it just to type it. And to be able to point to it for future reference. So I can say "Yes, I was wondering about it."
I understand that there's no breathing room in a grand season finale where they have to wrap things up in a tiny little bow. But in the beginning of the second season, where the music has stopped, things have slowed down, and the second season's story line begins to build up, they have to devote scenes and moments looking at where the characters are in the aftermath. I believe they will do this, but I'm typing it just to type it. And to be able to point to it for future reference. So I can say "Yes, I was wondering about it."
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