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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x10 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2"

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But giving a 93 year old the only body developed and make it decrepit and only last a few years. It's not even magic. That's just bad decision making.

What if he has the potential to live another 40 years? I thought it was a troublingly timely plot point, considering the hard choices doctors are having to make in some places about treating older coronavirus patients.
 
Maybe both are dumb.
Yes, they are both dumb.

Again, it's just my personal amusement that one is accepted and one is not. No more, no less.

The issue isn't that its not ok. The issue is that logically it's not what the series says it is. Sure a fake synth version of Picard is believable in the realm of Star Trek. But it's not the original Picard, so they shouldn't pretend like it is. Recognize that iPicard their pet vanity Picard that they built becasue they couldn't stand that the original Picard died, and move on. But don't insult my intelligence by pretending he's the same thing.
Agree to disagree for many reasons, but the biggest one is that Trek has done it before with dopplegangers. It may not work for everyone, but people in Trek have moved on with copy creation or quantum duplicates before.
 
Because 200 Romulan ships would make that an extremely costly arrest.
Maybe not. The Romulans themselves might turn on Oh if Riker told them she's responsible for the failure to evacuate their homeworld. The Romulans already know she hates synths. They'll know Riker isn't lying.

As it is the Fed can still file an extradition request of Oh specifically citing this reason.
 
But he also lost some of his humanity. That was as big a point and argument to leave the body. Same with Roger Korbey.

With imperfect technologies, yes.

That said, we have no reason to think this necessary. More, if androids are people just as surely as anyone biological, why couldn't the two types of being be similar enough to be potentially interchangeable?
 
Also, after not really liking what Akiva Goldsman did in the last episode, I'll give him some credit for this one. Some striking shots and cinematography, and for the most part didn't let his directing get in the way of the story.
 
Maybe not. The Romulans themselves might turn on Oh if Riker told them she's responsible for the destruction of their homeworld.

As it is the Fed can still file an extradition request of Oh specifically citing this reason.
What? The Zhat Vash were not responsible for the supernova, they were responsible for the attack on Mars.
 
So is this another Borg situation with the ancient AI overlords coming for this part of the galaxy now that they know they're out there?
 
We're introduced to the concept of fractal neuronic cloning by Agnes in episode one, who says it was what Maddox was working on before the ban. Soji and Dahj are the product of that process, created by Maddox. Soji and Dahj are created from Data's neuron. Therefore Maddox had Data's neuron and took it with him to Coppelius. The rest should fall into place pretty easily.

We were, and it was a bizarre and silly concept, and unnecessary since Data was within B4. Not that one neuron somehow had a complete copy of everything about him. In any case, it was not established that he had a fully reconstructed copy of Data or that for unknown reasons Data had been living in a Holo World inside a box on their shelf instead of their just being stored information.

The android body is for Soong, not Data. And if there is only extracted data from a harddrive, he wasnt "active" or living in a holo world initially. Apparently it was so that he and Picard could have a different goodbye later.
 
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So is this another Borg situation with the ancient AI overlords coming for this part of the galaxy now that they know they're out there?
I don't think so, it seems that when Shoji shut off the signal they just decided to leave. Picard was broadcasting on an open frequency, so they would have heard his speech. I presume they were just respecting Soji's wishes on that count.
 
Picard is now dead and we have a copy of him walking around.

If it's any consolation to you, Picard has been a copy since exiting the Nexus. The original is safely celebrating eternal Christmas at the faux-Chateau with his dead nephew and brother. Stop being negative.

I still think that’s Lore. I don’t buy this biological son thing.

Why would Lore help the humans? That's completely contrary to his MO.

From the two Talshiar doing manual labor for Picard on Earth.

They're on Earth by choice, because they would have been killed for being in their relationship back on Romulus (if the supernova didn't get them first).

Anyway, negative nellies aside, I thought this was a great episode. Sure, the "threat from the sky" came and went pretty quickly, but it was a other stuff that was fun. Gotta say I felt a tear coming on when Captain Riker appeared on the screen, and a little disappointed to hear it wasn't the Enterprise. But the new Starfleet ships are fairly loyal to the known 24th c. designs, and an appropriate evolution from the Sovereign class (couldn't help notice the Abramsverse back-lit nacelles).

All in all, a fun ride. Looking forward to Season 2, though with the COVID crisis raging, I'm not sure how long we'll have to wait. In the interim, tune into Sir Pat's daily sonnet readings on social media!

https://www.facebook.com/patrickstewart/
 
I would appreciate the meta meaning behind the franchise. As well as the equally meta complaint of "Its not really Picard!"

Like the crazy guy on the street corner shouting "the apocalypse is here" is a genius when the apocalypse actually arrives. Kurtzman was really a genius this whole time.
 
I don't think Star Trek is forever and it is madness to try to keep it preserved forever.

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2:36 in. ;)

Actually come to think of it, this episode serves as a nice bookend to that entire speech by Picard here.
 
Like the crazy guy on the street corner shouting "the apocalypse is here" is a genius when the apocalypse actually arrives. Kurtzman was really a genius this whole time.
I mean, I've known Kurtzman is his own genius since 09. Mileage will vary :techman:
 
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