Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x10 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, Mar 25, 2020.

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  1. 10 - I'm sending the writers orchids!

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  1. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Not really.
     
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  2. Jadeb

    Jadeb Commodore Commodore

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    What if he has the potential to live another 40 years? I thought it was a troublingly timely plot point, considering the hard choices doctors are having to make in some places about treating older coronavirus patients.
     
  3. fireproof78

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    Yes, they are both dumb.

    Again, it's just my personal amusement that one is accepted and one is not. No more, no less.

    Agree to disagree for many reasons, but the biggest one is that Trek has done it before with dopplegangers. It may not work for everyone, but people in Trek have moved on with copy creation or quantum duplicates before.
     
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  4. Lord Garth

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    To go meta, I wonder if Picard is a metaphor for Star Trek itself? He was terminally ill, dormant for years, and now he's been resurrected, revived, and will continue on, just not in the same place he was before.
     
  5. Yistaan

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    Maybe not. The Romulans themselves might turn on Oh if Riker told them she's responsible for the failure to evacuate their homeworld. The Romulans already know she hates synths. They'll know Riker isn't lying.

    As it is the Fed can still file an extradition request of Oh specifically citing this reason.
     
  6. rfmcdpei

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    With imperfect technologies, yes.

    That said, we have no reason to think this necessary. More, if androids are people just as surely as anyone biological, why couldn't the two types of being be similar enough to be potentially interchangeable?
     
  7. fireproof78

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    I would appreciate the meta meaning behind the franchise. As well as the equally meta complaint of "Its not really Picard!"
     
  8. TheMadCloner

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    Also, after not really liking what Akiva Goldsman did in the last episode, I'll give him some credit for this one. Some striking shots and cinematography, and for the most part didn't let his directing get in the way of the story.
     
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  9. dinzy

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    What? The Zhat Vash were not responsible for the supernova, they were responsible for the attack on Mars.
     
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  10. TheMadCloner

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    What about the fact that he's not immortal and he will live as long as he was supposed to live? ;)
     
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  11. Aragorn

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    So is this another Borg situation with the ancient AI overlords coming for this part of the galaxy now that they know they're out there?
     
  12. TheMadCloner

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    I bet that Soji will eventually convince them to be friends, just like Picard convinced Soji.
     
  13. Tarek71

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    We were, and it was a bizarre and silly concept, and unnecessary since Data was within B4. Not that one neuron somehow had a complete copy of everything about him. In any case, it was not established that he had a fully reconstructed copy of Data or that for unknown reasons Data had been living in a Holo World inside a box on their shelf instead of their just being stored information.

    The android body is for Soong, not Data. And if there is only extracted data from a harddrive, he wasnt "active" or living in a holo world initially. Apparently it was so that he and Picard could have a different goodbye later.
     
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  14. hyzmarca

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    I don't think so, it seems that when Shoji shut off the signal they just decided to leave. Picard was broadcasting on an open frequency, so they would have heard his speech. I presume they were just respecting Soji's wishes on that count.
     
  15. WarpFactorZ

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    If it's any consolation to you, Picard has been a copy since exiting the Nexus. The original is safely celebrating eternal Christmas at the faux-Chateau with his dead nephew and brother. Stop being negative.

    Why would Lore help the humans? That's completely contrary to his MO.

    They're on Earth by choice, because they would have been killed for being in their relationship back on Romulus (if the supernova didn't get them first).

    Anyway, negative nellies aside, I thought this was a great episode. Sure, the "threat from the sky" came and went pretty quickly, but it was a other stuff that was fun. Gotta say I felt a tear coming on when Captain Riker appeared on the screen, and a little disappointed to hear it wasn't the Enterprise. But the new Starfleet ships are fairly loyal to the known 24th c. designs, and an appropriate evolution from the Sovereign class (couldn't help notice the Abramsverse back-lit nacelles).

    All in all, a fun ride. Looking forward to Season 2, though with the COVID crisis raging, I'm not sure how long we'll have to wait. In the interim, tune into Sir Pat's daily sonnet readings on social media!

    https://www.facebook.com/patrickstewart/
     
  16. fireproof78

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    I don't think Star Trek is forever and it is madness to try to keep it preserved forever.
     
  17. uniderth

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    Like the crazy guy on the street corner shouting "the apocalypse is here" is a genius when the apocalypse actually arrives. Kurtzman was really a genius this whole time.
     
  18. TheMadCloner

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    2:36 in. ;)

    Actually come to think of it, this episode serves as a nice bookend to that entire speech by Picard here.
     
  19. fireproof78

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    I mean, I've known Kurtzman is his own genius since 09. Mileage will vary :techman:
     
  20. SolarisOne

    SolarisOne Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Not to mention, this is the least magical resurrection and something which may well turn out to plausible in real life at some point.
     
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