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Late to Discovery but finally saw it

She totally got off with it after a few episodes though didn't she. No way she would be allowed back so quick I don't care how good a scientist she is or if a war was is on. It was a bad plot line and I feel maybe the writers agree as it has been subtly dropped since
She ended the war and the Klingons were planning for war no matter what. I don't think the plot line was dropped at all and I don't think it was a bad plot line. I think Michael was railroaded at court martial, she did nothing to speak in her defense, and was going to prison.

James Kirk did worse than that and he got command of a ship.
 
o way she would be allowed back so quick I don't care how good a scientist she is or if a war was is on. It was a bad plot line and I feel maybe the writers agree as it has been subtly dropped since
In reality, you're right. In Star Trek, Ro Laren: fans are way to eager to forgive and forget with regard to this character, to see her redeemed by Starfleet.
 
She ended the war and the Klingons were planning for war no matter what. I don't think the plot line was dropped at all and I don't think it was a bad plot line. I think Michael was railroaded at court martial, she did nothing to speak in her defense, and was going to prison.

James Kirk did worse than that and he got command of a ship.

But she didnt go to prison which is my problem with it

What did Kirk do that was worse?
 
But she didnt go to prison which is my problem with it

What did Kirk do that was worse?
Kirk disobeyed orders and conspired with fellow Starfleet officers to steal a starship. During the execution of this conspiracy, several Starfleet officers were assaulted by the conspirators under Kirk's command. There are also the acts of sabotage against the USS Excelsior performed on Kirk's behalf by one of the conspirators. He entered forbidden space and engaged in armed conflict with a Klingon vessel, which brought the Federation to the brink of war with the Klingon empire. All this resulted in the destruction of the USS Enterprise commanded by Kirk in a rogue operation without Starfleet authorization.
 
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Burnham had the book thrown at her harder than any other character in the history of the franchise. The idea that she was just 'let off the hook' is laughable. In fact, she had the book thrown at her so hard I have a real issue with that entire storyline because I find it ridiculous for the Starfleet we've always known to so casually toss around a life in prison sentence (which is what she was sentenced to), especially to someone who clearly hasn't even been able to present a significant legal defence because she was clearly traumatized at the time of the trial.
 
Kirk disobeyed orders and conspired with fellow Starfleet officers to steal a starship. During the execution of this conspiracy, several Starfleet officers were attacked by the conspirators under Kirk's command. There are also the acts of sabotage against the USS Excelsior performed on Kirk's behalf by one of the conspirators. He entered forbidden space and engaged in armed conflict with a Klingon vessel, which brought the Federation to the brink of war with the Klingon empire. All this resulted in the destruction of the USS Enterprise commanded by Kirk in a rogue operation without Starfleet authorization.

Ha thats pretty bad alright
 
Burnham had the book thrown at her harder than any other character in the history of the franchise. The idea that she was just 'let off the hook' is laughable. In fact, she had the book thrown at her so hard I have a real issue with that entire storyline because I find it ridiculous for the Starfleet we've always known to so casually toss around a life in prison sentence (which is what she was sentenced to), especially to someone who clearly hasn't even been able to present a significant legal defence because she was clearly traumatized at the time of the trial.

Not to mention 'started the war'....Sisko 'started a war' in a much stronger fashion. She didn't start a war. And Treason??? Christ.
 
And what was his punishment?
Well, Kirk was on his way back to Starfleet to turn himself in to receive the punishment, but saved the Earth *on the way there* and they gave him a new ship. That's how awesome he is!

(Burnham similarly submitted to her punishment, but saved the universe *while still under sentence.* A long shot? Not really. The Red Angel would have had to save her from imprisonment somehow to stop Control. And maybe the Red Angel did just that by putting Terra Lorca into play.

Come to think of it, both STIV and DIS season 2 involved a mysterious sphere of unknown origin. Maybe the Red Angel helped in both situations.)
 
Except, Kirk's is worse.

Kirk's crime was worse? Only if you believe Burnham didn't do anything wrong at all. But Starfleet's view is that she assaulted a superior officer and attempted to take over the ship, with the intention of executing a "Vulcan hello." Starfleet also blames her for starting a war in which (presumably) thousands of lives and numerous ships were destroyed, which presumably stems from this: she was ordered to do "just a flyby" and to take "19 minutes, not a nanosecond longer," but exceeded that mandate by landing on the unidentified ship, resulting in an encounter with a Klingon, with disastrous consequences. Had she done a flyby and returned to report the presence of a ship, there may not have been a war. She did not defend herself at her court martial and entered a plea of guilty to the charge. The punishment for these charges and those consequences, which she did not contest, was arguably appropriate. She offered nothing in the way of mitigation of her punishment (such as, "I was right about the Vulcan hello"). She was, after further heroic acts, pardoned. (All of this, incidentally, got her off the Shenzhou and onto Discovery, which was necessary from the perspective of the Red Angel. For all we know, the Red Angel shaped the court martial with the "right" officers to ensure the sentence that was needed for the Red Angel's purposes.)

Kirk conspired with other officers to take a ship (which he recently or possibly still did captain), which included the assault and detention of other Starfleet personnel and the sabotage of another ship, and traveling to a forbidden destination against orders, with the destruction of that ship (which had already been slated for decommission) as a consequence. The only charge pursued was the refusal of a direct order. He, too, entered a plea of guilty, for which he was demoted. In way of mitigation, he saved one life (Saavik) and recovered a life previously though lost (Spock) who stood with him at the court martial. The existence of mitigating circumstances were noted at the court martial. Kirk's additional heroic act occurred prior to the court martial, which undoubtedly affect the outcome, but he was still found guilty. Burnham's subsequent heroic acts came after her sentencing, but resulted in a complete pardon.

I am not convinced that Kirk's actions were worse. They were similar except for the consequences. Kirk lost a ship that was slated for decommissioning, but actually saved lives and possibly prevented the Klingons from learning solid intel about Genesis. The consequences of Burnham's acts are what doomed her court martial proceedings - she precipitated a costly war.
 
Kirk's crime was worse? Only if you believe Burnham didn't do anything wrong at all. But Starfleet's view is that she assaulted a superior officer and attempted to take over the ship, with the intention of executing a "Vulcan hello." Starfleet also blames her for starting a war in which (presumably) thousands of lives and numerous ships were destroyed, which presumably stems from this

T'Kumva wanted a war. The war was coming no matter what Burnham did. The existence of mitigating circumstances applies here as well.

Kirk disobeyed a direct order, usurped lawful chain of command, incited conspiracy and mutiny against legitimate authority (Scotty against Styles). He violated Genesis quarantine and risked war with the Klingons by killing Klingon nationals. All of which he did without the knowledge that Spock would be restored to life the way that he did.

I may not agree with Burnham's mutiny but her "starting the war" is false on its face. Starfleet wanted a scapegoat and Lorca used it to his advantage. But, Burnham's efforts eventually led to peace with the Klingons.

Mitigating circumstances indeed.
 
If she had obeyed orders, there would not be a dead Klingon. T'Kuvma hoped for an encounter and set there as bait for an encounter, but would not have had an encounter had Burnham followed her orders of a flyby. The mutiny was unsuccessful, and did not contribute to the war starting (the beacon was lit before that), but T'Kuvma had a dead body at that point, which is what he needed and was hoping for. I respectfully disagree with your analysis on that point. And, yes, Burnham ultimately helped forge a peace, but that came after her sentencing and did, in fact, result in her being pardoned. That does not affect the initial validity of the sentencing, though.
 
If she had obeyed orders, there would not be a dead Klingon. T'Kuvma hoped for an encounter and set there as bait for an encounter, but would not have had an encounter had Burnham followed her orders of a flyby. The mutiny was unsuccessful, and did not contribute to the war starting (the beacon was lit before that), but T'Kuvma had a dead body at that point, which is what he needed and was hoping for. I respectfully disagree with your analysis on that point. And, yes, Burnham ultimately helped forge a peace, but that came after her sentencing and did, in fact, result in her being pardoned. That does not affect the initial validity of the sentencing, though.
Was she pardoned just because Lorca requested her?

Even if there was no dead body T'Kumva wanted a war. Blaming Burnham for the war is missing the forest for the trees.
 
No, she was pardoned because of her actions. All Lorca did was put her in a position to, well, actually take actions instead of being a prisoner. My point is, her heroic actions in the Klingon war came after her sentencing, whereas Kirk's heroic actions came before his, which benefited him greatly when it came to punishment at the court martial.

T'Kuvma may have wanted a war, but he needed a body to actually get one. He can't set off the beacon and have 24 houses show up only to say, "They...they were looking at me funny! In their own section of space, no less!" Burnham may not have intended to give him a body, but she did. And what enabled it was disobeying orders and setting foot on the Klingon ship's hull.
 
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