"At all costs" is right, because this might very well cost lives.
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Are you sure it wasn't other nurses selling them on ebay? You'll know for sure after everything is locked up.
It's a small price to pay to keep Putin's Puppet out of office!
- The Democrats/DNC don't set the dates of the primaries or make the decision to postpone them in an emergency, the state legislatures and/or in some cases the state governors do.
- It's not just Democrat primary season, the Republicans are also running for federal and state level offices (House seats, some Senate seats, governors, state legislators, lower offices, etc.)
- Several states have postponed their primaries until after the crisis has hopefully ended or subsided a bit. Some of the ones that couldn't/didn't either were too close to the date to stop, or had a majority of ballots already submitted by early voting or by mail and were just leaving it open for people who did not avail themselves of those opportunities.
- The few states that continued took measures to mitigate the spread like screenings, spacing between people in line, moving voting centers out of senior homes and other more vulnerable locations, telling their older more vulnerable volunteers not to come and replacing them, disinfecting the voting booths after each voter, asking people to bring their own pens from home, wearing gloves and masks and changing them constantly, etc. It's not a foolproof plan, but it helps.
- Some states had to take extraordinary measures to change the date because it's enshrined in their state constitutions. One governor (in Ohio) actually took the case to court to get permission to postpone the primary under a state of emergency (usually requires the legislature), but the court said it was too late to stop. He then did it anyway and the state supreme court upheld his position overnight.
- Gathering all the (often elderly) lawmakers to vote to postpone primaries also carries its own risks of spreading the virus among more vulnerable people, and they're the ones you need to pass emergency budget expenditures, etc. during the crisis.
- Of the states that don't already have mail-in voting, others are converting to it on an emergency basis. A bill has been submitted to Congress to grant emergency funding to convert to mail-in ballots for all states.
- We don't know how long the crisis is going to last or whether or not its peaked yet (most likely not), so it could get a lot worse by whatever time states choose to delay the primary to and it might be better to just get it out of the way now if there wasn't enough time or infrastructure to reschedule.
Delaying the vote is a sensitive issue even in times of emergency, and can be used as an excuse to suppress the vote (not saying that's happening now, just that it's a concern for marginalized groups especially). We continued the vote even during the height of the US Civil War and some polling places came under attack. So it's not a simplistic issue where you can always just shut it down or postpone it on a dime. Sometimes it's too late to delay, or the legislature can't vote to postpone in time.
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^Thanks for your informative response. I still don't agree with holding elections under such circumstances, but I do understand the legal difficulties now.
As for Republican primaries, I genuinely didn't know about those. They aren't really reported on in German media, as there's nobody to challenge Trump for the candidacy.
As for Republican primaries, I genuinely didn't know about those. They aren't really reported on in German media, as there's nobody to challenge Trump for the candidacy.
After being gone for a while, it's very comforting to see @Locutus of Bored still making his wonderful posts explaining things 
I didn't bother voting in my state's primaries, because my candidate dropped out a week earlier and now I don't care who wins, I'll just vote for them regardless.
Social distancing though is very hard for me at the moment. I finally have an active social life, and suddenly that grinds to a halt and I feel so alone. I completely understand why this is happening, but that doesn't make it easier for me. My salon-spa has closed too, as well as the movie theater, and my concert in April was postponed. I mostly worry how long this is going to last, and I just hope I can keep my sanity intact.
I'm glad though my therapist works in such a small office, she is still coming in. I was able to see her yesterday, and will still have my weekly visits, which are crucial to me. I need to get out at least once a week and see another human being face to face that I can talk to.
I didn't bother voting in my state's primaries, because my candidate dropped out a week earlier and now I don't care who wins, I'll just vote for them regardless.
Social distancing though is very hard for me at the moment. I finally have an active social life, and suddenly that grinds to a halt and I feel so alone. I completely understand why this is happening, but that doesn't make it easier for me. My salon-spa has closed too, as well as the movie theater, and my concert in April was postponed. I mostly worry how long this is going to last, and I just hope I can keep my sanity intact.
I'm glad though my therapist works in such a small office, she is still coming in. I was able to see her yesterday, and will still have my weekly visits, which are crucial to me. I need to get out at least once a week and see another human being face to face that I can talk to.
My cousin shared this really interesting article, it does a wonderful job showing the effects of social distancing.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...sdRakkftCN7OEvpQo8TpzPy2jQlXbk1a9hrrfX7yboP5I
https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...sdRakkftCN7OEvpQo8TpzPy2jQlXbk1a9hrrfX7yboP5I
seriously.
Anyone who thinks this game isn't going to seriously screw up the world economy is just not paying attention at all.
This is really really bad.
Stock market crash 1929 bad.
Anyone who thinks this game isn't going to seriously screw up the world economy is just not paying attention at all.
This is really really bad.
Stock market crash 1929 bad.
^ I don't see any content here that couldn't be discussed in the other COVID-19 thread (and which you've already brought up there before, I believe), so merging.
BTW, who has said this won't be damaging to the world and national economies? Is that even in dispute by anyone?
BTW, who has said this won't be damaging to the world and national economies? Is that even in dispute by anyone?
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Hardly in dispute.
I wonder if this enforced economic crisis will at least slow down climate change. We might just meet our CO2 reduction goals this year, after all!
I wonder if this enforced economic crisis will at least slow down climate change. We might just meet our CO2 reduction goals this year, after all!
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Oddly enough, I was gone from here for a while as well, about six weeks from late-January to early March. I was in the hospital with Influenza-A that resulted in pneumonia and i got a MRSA infection in the ICU for good measure that damaged my throat and lungs. I was intubated and on a ventilator and in critical condition for almost a week, and then had to do rehab for three weeks to get strong enough to walk and talk and eat again. Then I came home just in time for Coronavirus to hit Orange County! Joy.After being gone for a while, it's very comforting to see @Locutus of Bored still making his wonderful posts explaining things
I'm pretty much resigned to getting it at this point because I'm immuno-suppressed and have preexisting conditions, and my sister (who lives with me) works in retail in a tourist town and the company is not shutting down, nor can we afford to pay all the bills with just my income if she's off work. Good times.
Just a head's-up:
WHO Now Officially Recommends to Avoid Taking Ibuprofen For COVID-19 Symptoms
AFP - 17 MARCH 2020
https://www.sciencealert.com/who-recommends-to-avoid-taking-ibuprofen-for-covid-19-symptoms
Paracetamol is more commonly known as acetaminophen or by the brand name Tylenol here in the States.
WHO Now Officially Recommends to Avoid Taking Ibuprofen For COVID-19 Symptoms
AFP - 17 MARCH 2020
The World Health Organization recommended Tuesday that people suffering COVID-19 symptoms avoid taking ibuprofen, after French officials warned that anti-inflammatory drugs could worsen effects of the virus.
The warning by French Health Minister Veran followed a recent study in The Lancet medical journal that hypothesised that an enzyme boosted by anti-inflammatory drugs such as ibuprofen could facilitate and worsen COVID-19 infections.
Asked about the study, WHO spokesman Christian Lindmeier told reporters in Geneva the UN health agency's experts were "looking into this to give further guidance."
"In the meantime, we recommend using rather paracetamol, and do not use ibuprofen as a self-medication. That's important," he said.
He added that if ibuprofen had been "prescribed by the healthcare professionals, then, of course, that's up to them."
His comments came after Veran sent a tweet cautioning that the use of ibuprofen and similar anti-inflammatory drugs could be "an aggravating factor" in COVID-19 infections.
"In the case of fever, take paracetamol," he wrote.
The French minister stressed that patients already being treated with anti-inflammatory drugs should ask advice from their doctor.
Paracetamol must be taken strictly according to the recommended dose, because too much of it can damage the liver.
The warning by French Health Minister Veran followed a recent study in The Lancet medical journal that hypothesised that an enzyme boosted by anti-inflammatory drugs such as ibuprofen could facilitate and worsen COVID-19 infections.
Asked about the study, WHO spokesman Christian Lindmeier told reporters in Geneva the UN health agency's experts were "looking into this to give further guidance."
"In the meantime, we recommend using rather paracetamol, and do not use ibuprofen as a self-medication. That's important," he said.
He added that if ibuprofen had been "prescribed by the healthcare professionals, then, of course, that's up to them."
His comments came after Veran sent a tweet cautioning that the use of ibuprofen and similar anti-inflammatory drugs could be "an aggravating factor" in COVID-19 infections.
"In the case of fever, take paracetamol," he wrote.
The French minister stressed that patients already being treated with anti-inflammatory drugs should ask advice from their doctor.
Paracetamol must be taken strictly according to the recommended dose, because too much of it can damage the liver.
https://www.sciencealert.com/who-recommends-to-avoid-taking-ibuprofen-for-covid-19-symptoms
Paracetamol is more commonly known as acetaminophen or by the brand name Tylenol here in the States.
Oh dear, I'm so sorry you went through all that, and now this on top of everything. I hope you're able to stay healthy, and if you do get it then I hope it's much easier for you.
I imagine this must be especially hard for you to see people not taking this seriously
It is WRONG for the USA government to dictate to businesses to close down or partially close.
Why does nobody in the media even bring this subject up?
This closing of businesses is WAY larger than .003 % or the population possibly dying.
Why does nobody in the media even bring this subject up?
This closing of businesses is WAY larger than .003 % or the population possibly dying.
Which one of you forgot to close the lament configuration? Didn't realize the corona virus was a cenobite
https://nerdist.com/article/egyptian-tv-host-coronavirus-interview/
https://nerdist.com/article/egyptian-tv-host-coronavirus-interview/
Exactly my point. Homeless people, people with families losing their homes, people living paycheck to paycheck.
These
Are the people that are going to be waiting in the government food, assistance lines.
People formerly doing okay, Even 'good'are going to be out on the street or living in their cars.
People think it's bad now with people living in a car parked in front of their house and shitting in their front yard, just wait.
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No, it's not wrong. People's lives are more important than trying to do business as usual.
You think it's right to tell restaurant owners that they have to close their doors is "right"?
Really?
Can you explain to me how that is a good thing.
Do you own a small company?