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Star Trek Picard is not Star Trek
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Something about the bully/jerk element terrified the shit out of six-year-old me.
And something about that has lingered throughout the years because he still gives me the wig.
Similarly, I've never been able to take Kruge seriously. Around the same time, my parents bought our first VCR for Christmas, along with the first three Trek movies and BTTF. By then I had already seen TMP. And something about the cover of WOK made me think I was going to like it.**
So I decided to go with SFS. So my dad hooked it all up Christmas morning, but my mom insisted we watched BTTF first. I loved Doc immediately. I'm pretty sure the bit where the model car starts on fire was the hardest I'd ever laughed at a movie/show at that point in my life.So, sure enough, we put in SFS and get to the Valkris scene and Lloyd's voice is just so distinct that I immediately recognized it. But at that age, I was still barely aware of the whole concept of actors and roles, so I was understandably confused. I looked at my mom quizically and my parents both starting cracking up. And even then I was able to suss out they had just trolled the shit out of me.
And even now, while I can recognize it as a great performance, I can't help but giggle a little inside whenever I see Kruge.
**It is entirely possible my parents didn't want me watching WOK yet. David's death and Kruge falling into the volcano are both pretty cartoony. But Khan's melty face is pretty gruesome to look at for a youngster.
Korax with TMP makeup could be the most terrifying Klingon ever.
I get that the Klingons were the Soviets. There's even a Bloom County or Outland strip where the characters lament the Cold War's over, there's no more bad guys, and now Klingon's are serving in Starfleet. But I don't think it's the perfect Star Trek villain for the time, but definitely the perfect villain for a mainstream action/sci-fi movie. Soviet villains were everywhere in the 80s. Here, the Federation good guys (U.S.) against the Klingon bad guy (Soviet bad guy) who wants to acquire a new powerful weapon to destroy freedom and peace. It wasn't using the Cold War allegory to make any interesting examination of the conflict or bring up any interesting questions. It was just feeding into a jingoistic narrative that was popular in mainstream America at the time. I still enjoy the movie but the villain and his goal is very pedestrian.Lord Garth said:
I'll have to check out DISC for that scene.
When watching TOS for the first time I was a little taken back at how less-threatning and not-as-aggressive they were compared to the way they were portrayed in TNG. They pretty close in looks for the most part, but that whole warrior culture wasn't nearly as defined, and they seemed more like just regular guys in extensive make-up. It's funny seeing that one Klingon ambassador Kamarag arguing to the Federation that Kirk should be brought up on charges. He sounds too much like a regular politician, except he's wearing funny prosthetics. Doesn't come across as a Klingon from the way he speaks. Kruge's henchman, the guy from Nightcourt? Regular sounding dude. Gorkon? A regular British politician, but with prosthetics.
Chang was definitely the standout, but he didn't remind me too much of TNG Klingons. He did however seemed to be of the same stock as the original TOS Klingons, Kor in particular. He had some great lines too. Charming villain is right.
TNG Klingons were great in my opinion. The one from that Riker episode was bad ass when he wasn't getting mopped up by Riker. "Look around you...there are no old warriors." "Would you like something easier?" Great dialogue, delivery, and the guy looked huge.
Kurn was an intimidating dude, even putting his older brother in check initially.
Korris from that first Klingon episode of TNG was great too. He kind of had that classic Klingon swagger from TOS but also that alpha warrior marauder vibe when he's describing to Worf what it means to be Klingon.
Overall, it's interesting to see how Klingons from TOS, film, to TNG was a WIP and how they're identity evolved over time.
From TOS, Kang was the most bad ass, even among the TNG Klingons.
Kor's dialogue was perfection.
Yes. I watched SFS way after BTTF and all I could see and hear was Doc Brown. He might as well have exclaimed "Great Scott!" at some point.
He has a good face for a Klingon warrior though.
The scariest Klingons were those Klingon dudes in Star Trek Into Darkness. They were very intimidating looking.
The scariest Klingons in the history of the franchise are from the opening of TMP. Vampire warriors lit in red with ominous Jerry Goldmsith blaster beam music playing over them.
No. The Scariest Klingon is Worf after Jadzia sends him to bed with no opera and prune juice.
I've always thought the sound of the Klingon disruptors in the background as the Klingon occupiers execute 200 Organians for harboring Kirk and Spock was pretty damn scary.
chili.
I think episode 8 did a lot to restore the Star Trek feel of the show.
We learn of an ancient civilization that was capable of moving stars to form an artificial star system of 8 stars orbiting each other. We also learn of a homeworld of synthetic life forms. So we get our strange new worlds and civilizations part of Star Trek. Picard also gives a classic speech about hope and openness which appeals to the values of Star Trek.
I alway hear Reverend Jim from Taxi.
Similarly, I've never been able to take Kruge seriously. Around the same time, my parents bought our first VCR for Christmas, along with the first three Trek movies and BTTF. By then I had already seen TMP. And something about the cover of WOK made me think I was going to like it.**
So, sure enough, we put in SFS and get to the Valkris scene and Lloyd's voice is just so distinct that I immediately recognized it. But at that age, I was still barely aware of the whole concept of actors and roles, so I was understandably confused. I looked at my mom quizically and my parents both starting cracking up. And even then I was able to suss out they had just trolled the shit out of me.
And even now, while I can recognize it as a great performance, I can't help but giggle a little inside whenever I see Kruge.
Christopher Lloyd is coming to NCIS:
https://www.cinemablend.com/televis...ook-at-christopher-lloyds-upcoming-guest-spot
For the kiddies who saw BTTF first, that's what most people would have associated him with when TSFS came out in 1984.
Wow, I never got that as his motivation at all. I always took it as very similar to Kor in "Errand of Mercy" in TOS, where they needed Genesis to build planets due to lack of resources. I mean, Kruge also saw it as a weapon, but I didn't that it was just conflict for the sake of destroying freedom and peace.
Klingons, as a whole, vary greatly for me in terms of intimidation ability. I think the DSC Klingons, especially Kol and his relative (can't remember his name) can be intimidating, but certainly Berman era could be too. It's all in presentation, rather than just appearance.
IDK - Kang in TOS S3 "Day of the Dove" was IMMEDIATELY threatening (IMO):
(Watch just the first few seconds here):
Kang has always been my favorite TOS era Klingon.
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IDK - Kang in TOS S3 "Day of the Dove" was IMMEDIATELY threatening (IMO):
(Watch just the first few seconds here
Kang has always been my favorite TOS era Klingon.
Kang is probably my second favorite non-Worf Klingon, both in TOS and DS9.
Martok is bae tho
Eh. I haven't watched that show since Perrette left, and even by then I was barley watching at all.
You don't get to tell any of us what is or is not Star trek
Star Trek is whatever has "Star Trek" in its title at some point and is a television or streaming series or a theatrical movie. Period.
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