Spoilers Episode 7 "Nepenthe"

[Nerys Myk]

So who will be next to die in Trek of Thrones?

The USS Titan.

Hugh's death was not believable in the 24th century. Even in our day, we can save someone who has been injured in the neck. It has to be a pretty well catastrophic injury in the neck for someone to die.

It's a TV show, magic cures only work when the script calls for it.

Elnor conveniently found a Fenris alling card plastic thingie (like the one Seven gave Picard) on the cub, just dangling in front of him.

He found in the place Hugh sent him. So if it is Hugh's, not maybe so convenient.

Commodore Oh (An Admiral should be Head of Starfleet intelligence not a Commodore)

A Commodore is an Admiral in all but name. And Oh isn't the head of Starfleet Intelligence, she's just the head of the Romulan desk.

 

[Longinus]

What a ship the La Sirena is, you can kill people in the sickbay without the EMH or any security programs or the captain knowing, and replicate dangerous chemicals in the back. It's like a criminal's dream ship...

The medical replicator is presumably built with an assumption that it will be operated by a competent medical professional, and it would be counterproductive for a doctor to have to argue with a computer to get the medicine they might need to administer right now!

 

[TheMadCloner]

Well, I guess Starfleet would like you as long as you're a well-behaved yes man who will obey all orders even if it costs you the life of your son. Honestly Riker should be giving an FNN interview and he'd get far more sympathy than Picard did (since I think the Fed citizens can relate to Thad more than to Romulan refugees).

To be fair, we don’t know the exact circumstances of how Thad acquired the disease or what Riker did or didn’t do about it.

 

[NCC-73515]

A Klingon fan would want the shirt's writing in pIqaD. :-)

Star Trek: pIqaD.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

But..but..she's cute and deserves her "Shame...shame!" scene.

Instead of Space Cersei, I kept thinking of her as Space Kate Beckinsale.

 

[Racefuel]

Most people in the Federation. There of course could be exceptions, but some sort of a superstition based angst because being android would be a rather bizarre angle.

"Most people" is not supported in the movies or books. If anything the opposite is true, beyond a few high profile statements made by primary characters. The TOS Enterprise had a chapel (non denominational), Cassidy Yates references that her father would rather her be married by a Priest, there was a special function for the Hindu Festival of Lights (though an argument could be made that this is merely a traditional ceremony and that, like Christmas, it is followed and practiced even by non-religious people).

 

[Kor]

Data and Picard's "What is death?" conversation from "Where Silence Has Lease" comes to mind. It was rather interesting. But then it turned it that wasn't actually Data...

Kor

 

[cooleddie74]

'Because Gene decided it is like that' is a reason for most things in Star Trek. Most 24th century people being atheists is part of the setting, like it or not, and I really don't want it to be changed.

Oh well.

 

[AlanC9]

By coincidence, I rewatched THE HUNGER (1983) before watching PICARD last night. I had completely forgotten that Ann Magnuson, who plays Admiral Clancy, also played the "Young Woman from Disco" who David Bowie seduces and kills in the opening scene of THE HUNGER! .

Wow. I'd forgotten that too.

I always think of Magnuson more as a musician and performance artist. I think I still have a ticket stub from the gig Bongwater played with King Missile in whatever the hell that club on far west 23d was, back when west Chelsea was a deserted industrial wasteland.

Damn, I'm old.

 

[fireproof78]

"Most people" is not supported in the movies or books. If anything the opposite is true, beyond a few high profile statements made by primary characters. The TOS Enterprise had a chapel (non denominational), Cassidy Yates references that her father would rather her be married by a Priest, there was a special function for the Hindu Festival of Lights (though an argument could be made that this is merely a traditional ceremony and that, like Christmas, it is followed and practiced even by non-religious people).

I think that in the 24th century personal practice of religion is just that-personal. It doesn't require the masses for people to believe what they believe.

 

[Kor]

What a ship the La Sirena is, you can kill people in the sickbay without the EMH or any security programs or the captain knowing, and replicate dangerous chemicals in the back. It's like a criminal's dream ship...

Yeah, you would think it was run by a shady ex-Starfleet privateer or something.

Kor

 

[AlanC9]

In TNG, Riker pontificated about how superior 24th century humans are because they no longer enslave and kill animals for food. I guess free-range venomous rabbits are okay.

Well, they did skip the enslaving part.

I suppose hunting and eating animals is legitimate behavior for an omnivore species.

 

[Racefuel]

'Because Gene decided it is like that' is a reason for most things in Star Trek. Most 24th century people being atheists is part of the setting, like it or not, and I really don't want it to be changed.

It's already been changed. The "24th century people are atheist" died a quiet death in S1/S2/S3 of TNG and instead adopted a more specific, character focused aspect of exploring religious beliefs rather than blanket statements which kill story topics and exploration points.

 

[Nerys Myk]

What a ship the La Sirena is, you can kill people in the sickbay without the EMH or any security programs or the captain knowing, and replicate dangerous chemicals in the back. It's like a criminal's dream ship...

She murdered him under the guise of rendering medical aid. Why would the Captain or a security program be suspicious?
Is there a reason Jurarti shouldn't be able to replicate this chemical? From my recollection of the scene what she's asking for is medicine, that like many medicines can be dangerous if give to the wrong person or in the wrong amount, not cleaning supplies or industrial lubricants.

 

[Yistaan]

Wow. I'd forgotten that too.

I always think of Magnuson more as a musician and performance artist. I think I still have a ticket stub from the gig Bongwater played with King Missile in whatever the hell that club on far west 23d was, back when west Chelsea was a deserted industrial wasteland.

Damn, I'm old.

Dahj, Clancy, and Laris and Zhaban seem like from a different show entirely. We're introduced to these characters as if they will be a big deal in the show, then Dahj (the most likable character period) is promptly killed, and Clancy, Laris and Zhaban stay on Earth and don't take part in the action even long distance.

It would be like after the big party in the Hobbit with Gandalf and all the dwarves and Bilbo at the beginning, only for it to be revealed that only Thorin and Bilbo will go confront Smaug while Gandalf is killed in a fireworks explosion and the dwarves decide they want to stay in the Shire and not come along after all.

She murdered him under the guise of rendering medical aid. Why would the Captain or a security program be suspicious?
Is there a reason Jurarti shouldn't be able to replicate this chemical? From my recollection of the scene what she's asking for is medicine, that like many medicines can be dangerous if give to the wrong person or in the wrong amount, not cleaning supplies or industrial lubricants.

I've already addressed my complaints about Maddox's death in other posts so I'm not going to retread, you can look up those posts.

As for Jurati getting this chemical, I'd imagine the replicator would scan her to see if she actually needs it or ask what it's for. But if she's getting it for someone else, I'd imagine that would require special authorization (like the Captain). No different than if I wanted some of the special equipment at work, I'd need management to sign off on it. At the end of the day, it's not her ship.

 

[fireproof78]

I suppose hunting and eating animals is legitimate behavior for an omnivore species.

If humans are animals then that would be expected.

 

[Longinus]

I’ve never bought that. There would be a variety of opinions on the matter and many different faiths from Earth and the various Federation planets, just as there are now. Humans would likely have converted to some of the alien religions and there would be blending of Earth religions with Vulcan, Klingon, etc. to form new religions. Phlox from Enterprise had attended services in a church while he was on Earth and the Discovery crew discussed their various religious beliefs or lack thereof. Klingons have a belief in an afterlife, prayers, and a monastery that B’Elanna Torres was sent to for education as a child. Spock’s half brother had a belief in a mythological paradise. Vulcans offer prayers at a temple for the safe return of family members and have complex rituals involving monks and priestesses and the katra. Romulans have an order of warrior nuns and a number of gods, along with meditation rituals that resemble those of Vulcans. The Bajorans on Deep Space Nine are religious.

Yes, Bajorans being religious was used to contrast that the humans mostly were not. And given that in countries with high education and living standard religiosity is radically dropping already, it makes perfect sense that such superstitions would be mostly extinct by the 24th century. Oh, and as for that 'Vulcan payer' on thing, I thank Discovery for offering a somewhat rational explanation for it: it is tokmar, an attempt to contact or guide a lost person telepathically.

 

[cooleddie74]

It's already been changed. The "24th century people are atheist" died a quiet death in S1/S2/S3 of TNG and instead adopted a more specific, character focused aspect of exploring religious beliefs rather than blanket statements which kill story topics and exploration points.

And religion is already said to persist in both ENT and TOS so it's ludicrous to believe that spirituality or even organized religion will be all but extinct on both Earth and in the wider Federation just 100 years after Kirk. Religion - whether or not somebody likes or agrees with it - has been ingrained into human genetic makeup for millennia if not longer and just a couple of hundred years of warp drive and cures for most diseases isn't going to change that.

 

[Racefuel]

Yes, Bajorans being religious was used to contrast that the humans mostly were not. And given that in countries with high education and living standard religiosity is radically dropping already, it makes perfect sense that such superstitions would be mostly extinct by the 24th century. Oh, and as for that 'Vulcan payer' on thing, I thank Discovery for offering a somewhat rational explanation for it: it is tokmar, an attempt to contact or guide a lost person telepathically.

It doesn't explain Vulcan priests though.

 

[Gonzo]

I've kinda assumed that Rizzo is the culprit behind the Mars attack.

Nah she is not the planning type as that would require patience.

Narek could have been in on it and the Commodore is definitely a contender due to her clearance, she could easily have whitewashed the investigation as well.

We may yet find that it is someone else entirely though.

Its all going to come out.