Spoilers Episode 7 "Nepenthe"

[Noname Given]

They made Troi lose another kid? These so called writers must really hate these legacy characters; giving them depressing futures. Maybe it’s better if we don’t see them. They probably made Geordi deaf, Bashir go dumb and Tuvok blind. For real this time.

Hey, Troi DIED/was KILLED years previous in the TNG finale - "All Good Things". Stuff (good and bad) happens in one's life. I applaud them for doing stuff like this because it COULD have ended the Riker's marriage; but we see while they do mourn the loss, they stayed together and worked through it as a familiy.

 

[Cap'n Calhoun]

Somebody page the Radish kid from the turbolift in "Disaster(TNG)"!

"Is that blood?"
"No, radishes."

 

[Kor]

Who are you talking to? A radish kid is an android? These jokes aren't making sense.

You're replying to a post that has nothing to do with the radish topic...

As for that particular subject, in TNG "Disaster," Picard gave one of the kids he was trapped with the title of "Executive Officer in Charge of Radishes" because he had won science prizes for making rapidly growing radishes. That kid would be an adult now in the STPic timeframe. Given the track record of past minor characters showing up in STPic, if Radish Kid were to show up in this series, he would probably meet a grim fate.

Kor

 

[Racefuel]

The only reason they had Thad referenced to have died was due to the desire to create a (very minor) plot subpoint of unintended consequences.

As a side point, the "silicon based illness" was a direct callback to Enterprise to where the Organians were observing the illness aboard Enterprise.

Unless it happened in other Trek series before that.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yeah, well into his late thirties by this point.

 

[Greg Cox]

It was nice to see Mr. And Mrs. Troi and we got some back story, but I can't shake the feeling that this was the first "filler" episode of what has been a very good series so far."

One can argue that Soji needed an episode to process that (a) she's an android, (b) her entire past is an fabrication, and (c) her boyfriend just tried to kill her.

On other fronts:

Replicators don't just make foodstuffs. I'm sure you can ask it to replicate cleaning supplies, industrial solvents, whatever. (What was that standard lubricant Lenore Karidian used to poison Riley back in the day?).

By coincidence, I rewatched THE HUNGER (1983) before watching PICARD last night. I had completely forgotten that Ann Magnuson, who plays Admiral Clancy, also played the "Young Woman from Disco" who David Bowie seduces and kills in the opening scene of THE HUNGER!

And, yeah,I really wanted a pizza after last night's ep.

 

[Noname Given]

Why is Picard kind of an ass all of a sudden? He cuts off Will like a monarch silencing a subject, and the reactions from Will in the earlier scene suggest Picard's an ar-ro-gant son-of-a-...something or other... Also at dinner Picard suggests nothing can stop him since he now has a mission, and Raffi last episode described him as all rampaging id... This is not the man I remember.

Picard's ALWAYS been this way. Go back and rewatch a TNG episode where he dresses down Worf for doing something Klingon, or hell, watch TNG S7 - "The Pegasus" where he threatens Will's very position as first officer because Will REFUSES to break the chain of command and tell Picard what's going on because an Star Fleet Admiral (who outranks PIcard) told Will to say nothing.

Picard ALWAYS does this type of thing when he's not totally in control, or the be all end all of the situation and on top. he's used to: "What I say GOES...and that's the end of it..." and if anything the Writers of STP understand that aspect of the character VERY well, and Patrick Stewart does too and puts it on full display.

If anything, the character/person of jean-Luc Picard is FINALLY coming to grips with the fact he's not always been morally "Right" - and perhaps he HAS been too rigid at times, and he'd do better to bend a bit from time to time.

 

[cooleddie74]

If 23rd century shipboard synthesizers can make clothing as seen in DSC and later in "Patterns of Force(TOS)" then it only makes sense that by the 24th a replicator can make, say, a hypospray containing a requested formula so long as said formula wasn't in violation of Federation law. Biomimetic gel, for example, may be completely off-limits to replicators built and programmed within the Federation.

 

[Kor]

In TNG, Riker pontificated about how superior 24th century humans are because they no longer enslave and kill animals for food. I guess free-range venomous rabbits are okay.

Kor

 

[Racefuel]

In TNG, Riker pontificated about how superior 24th century humans are because they no longer enslave and kill animals for food. I guess free-range venomous rabbits are okay.

Kor

Yep...one of GR's pointless, insufferable lecture points that thankfully died around the same time he did

 

[Kilana2]

One can argue that Soji needed an episode to process that (a) she's an android, (b) her entire past is an fabrication, and (c) her boyfriend just tried to kill her.

On other fronts:

Replicators don't just make foodstuffs. I'm sure you can ask it replicate cleaning supplies, industrial solvents, whatever. (What was that standard lubricant Lenore Karidian used to poison Riley back in the day?).

And, yeah,I really wanted a pizza after last night's ep.

Just returned from the last episode. Now I'm ready to eat something. But Jurati throwing up didn't make me hungry approximately one hour ago!

 

[eschaton]

Yep...one of GR's pointless, insufferable lecture points that thankfully died around the same time he did

In a world where people can get meat that is essentially indistinguishable from the real thing - guilt and cruelty free - you don't think that a lot more people would become squeamish about killing animals for food? It seems to me the social norm would flip, where "vegetarianism" would be the default for humans, and eating meat would seem to be the weird thing.

 

[Yistaan]

In TNG, Riker pontificated about how superior 24th century humans are because they no longer enslave and kill animals for food. I guess free-range venomous rabbits are okay.

Kor

Perhaps he never fully recovered from that time he became a neanderthal. Seriously, Picard is understandably treated as having severe trauma from his assimilation, but the entire crew honestly wouldn't ever be the same after some of the things they've been through.

In a world where people can get meat that is essentially indistinguishable from the real thing - guilt and cruelty free - you don't think that a lot more people would become squeamish about killing animals for food? It seems to me the social norm would flip, where "vegetarianism" would be the default for humans, and eating meat would seem to be the weird thing.

Agreed. Riker hunting in the wild isn't a contradiction per se. We don't see a meat company rounding up these animals to kill and sell.

Humans have a choice not to eat meat. Some animals, like my own pet cat, have to eat meat to survive. I guess if we ever invent a replicator of meat (they are actually working on making fully synthesized meat in labs without animals being killed, but it's extremely expensive and they can only make small strands right now), we can try it on carnivorous animals and see if they can tell the difference.

As a funny aside, I cooked a veggie burger once and the smell was so realistic apparently my cat came running meowing for a bite. I was like, "You silly cat, this is a veggie burger, it has no nutritional value for you!"

 

[ITDUDE]

Just returned from the last episode. Now I'm ready to eat something. But Jurati throwing up didn't make me hungry approximately one hour ago!

I got some craving for Red Velvet cake.

 

[matthunter]

If 23rd century shipboard synthesizers can make clothing as seen in DSC and later in "Patterns of Force(TOS)" then it only makes sense that by the 24th a replicator can make, say, a hypospray containing a requested formula so long as said formula wasn't in violation of Federation law. Biomimetic gel, for example, may be completely off-limits to replicators built and programmed within the Federation.

I took the fact that Jurati keyed something into the replicator rather than just saying "Hypospray: 10cc's of uranium hydroxide" as her bypassing the safeties.

 

[Longinus]

The androids or everyone?

The androids is more or less a given fact, but there are indications that there is still an active religious belief system in place in both Federation/Human and non-federation/human worlds and cultures

Most people in the Federation. There of course could be exceptions, but some sort of a superstition based angst because being android would be a rather bizarre angle.

 

[Yistaan]

I took the fact that Jurati keyed something into the replicator rather than just saying "Hypospray: 10cc's of uranium hydroxide" as her bypassing the safeties.

What a ship the La Sirena is, you can kill people in the sickbay without the EMH or any security programs or the captain knowing, and replicate dangerous chemicals in the back. It's like a criminal's dream ship...

 

[Noname Given]

Rizzo is often imagined as a space Cersei, but I think she won't make it that far as a 'Game of Thrones' character....

But..but..she's cute and deserves her "Shame...shame!" scene.

 

[Longinus]

Well, some are. Others aren't. Don't take the words of Picard in "Who Watches the Watchers?(TNG)" as Gospel about the entire Federation and all humans. So to speak.

That was Roddenberry's concept more than anything else and Berman only pushed it because that was one of those things he didn't want to enforce in Gene's universe but felt he had the obligation to.

'Because Gene decided it is like that' is a reason for most things in Star Trek. Most 24th century people being atheists is part of the setting, like it or not, and I really don't want it to be changed.

 

[Yistaan]

But..but..she's cute and deserves her "Shame...shame!" scene.

For all we know Elnor is the long lost brother of Rizzo and Narek.