Thank you!
Looks like I should to wait for next episode spoilers
If they killed Icheb and then Hugh I didn't want to see what they'll do to Seven.
Spoilers Episode 7 "Nepenthe"
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Looks like I should to wait for next episode spoilers
If they killed Icheb and then Hugh I didn't want to see what they'll do to Seven.
I think she sensed his expression, voice, stuff like that, just like she sensed that from Soji, but no actual 'inner' emotion that only Betazoids can percieve
Ja kreizbirnbaum wos isn des fira grampf?
If they leave after they're cured, they should be fine.
A smoker's lung doesn't look much better, neither do limbs that have to be amputated... but the main difference between drinking and smoking is the damage done to everyone else in the same room. I hope they didn't expose Stewart for too many takes.
IIRC, Paris said we don't do that anymore in a VOY episode, and Nog made it clear that humans stopped doing it after figuring out how harmful it is. If they'd gotten rid of all the harmful components by then, wouldn't Paris and Nog have a different attitide?
This is the first time I'm made aware of this. Sorry, didn't know! I only started the thread cause the episode was already out a week early for some people, otherwise I would have left it to the usual episode thread starter.
Did you see First Man? Or some Disco discussion scenes? That's annoying, pointless camera stuff. I didn't notice anything like that in PIC yet.
So after they buried Thad, why didn't he go all Pet Sematary?
Do your parents know what he did? Please stay safe, even if it means cutting some people out of your life for some time. There are usually more good people than bad ones throughout someone's life. You can't choose your family, but you can find good friends.
I too was hoping for a Hugh recovery........which i odd because I was never a big Hugh fan in TNG, but I really liked him in Picard! However, the official site posted a video message from Jonathan Del Arco filmed from the cruise yesterday that seemed like an honest thank you and goodbye message. It IS Sci-Fi so you never know, but it kinda tempered my expectations of seeing him again.
https://intl.startrek.com/videos/watch-jonathan-del-arco-shares-a-message-with-fans
Have you ever been in a room with someone who has flown into a drunken rage? Because I have. Have you ever seen a man hit his wife because he was drunk? I have. Have you ever seen someone repeatedly admitted to rehab because of alcoholism, because I have. Don't you dare minimise the damaging effect alcohol can have on ones self and others just to win a fucking internet argument.
For crying out loud they don't use real cigarettes. William Davies who played the cancer man on X-files used a herbal cigarettes which were totally harmless. Do you honestly think they would have Santiago Cabrera smoking a cigar for 6 hours?
Thanks!
I didn't watch TNG at all before. But after STP ep 6 I've watched "I, Borg" and "Descent" and "Descent, Part II".
Hugh was embodying a hope... They name human relations "promising" but it looks like the promise never was keeped. Hugh received only a chance to sacrifice his life.
There's another video by Del Arco:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1235723611836755969
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Has the fear of a possible terrible future become a religion and taken on a life of its own.
Rissa acts like she is a true believer, yet Jurati seems to have rejected it somewhat compared to before when she killed Maddox.
Where does that information come from and could it have been corrupted or skewed over time.
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Finally watched the episode.
Nice to see more of the La Sirena, as someone else mentioned we now know that the medibay is about 10-15m behind and one deck below the bridge.
I am surprised there are no deck plans yet by anyone.
This weeks episode indicates that Jurati was not Zhat Vash before her visit by the Commodore, Jurati was perfectly placed to trigger the attack on Mars but it could have been done by another, she is still an obvious choice though, perhaps we will find out for sure next week if she spills her guts, its about time everyone was told.
She now knows that she shouldn't have killed Maddox, I just hope that the whole end of the world vision isn't a hoax or misunderstood for her sake, it may be that the Zhat Vash are right to take the actions that they do.
Loved Nepenthe and the Rikers, I do wonder about Thad and this Captain Crandall (who is he really), how did he know where Soji's system of origin is, has he been there before and if so did he by chance take a small boy named Thad there for treatment.
Hugh.
I see that there are some who are hoping to see the USS Titan, with some who don't like the idea being a bit too quick to wave the canon flag, at this point we could see any number of known ships, whether they are canon or not makes no difference because if we see them that makes them canon, top of the likely list include:
Captain Riker - USS Titan
Captain Geordi - USS Challenger
Captain Worf - USS Enterprise E
I would love to see an Odyssey class but it is extremely unlikely, what if they give us all three of the above warping in for the cliffhanger at the end of episode 10 as a counter for Picard not wanting to get them involved.
This one gets a 9 as I want to keep the 10 for what is to come.
Nice to see more of the La Sirena, as someone else mentioned we now know that the medibay is about 10-15m behind and one deck below the bridge.
I am surprised there are no deck plans yet by anyone.
This weeks episode indicates that Jurati was not Zhat Vash before her visit by the Commodore, Jurati was perfectly placed to trigger the attack on Mars but it could have been done by another, she is still an obvious choice though, perhaps we will find out for sure next week if she spills her guts, its about time everyone was told.
She now knows that she shouldn't have killed Maddox, I just hope that the whole end of the world vision isn't a hoax or misunderstood for her sake, it may be that the Zhat Vash are right to take the actions that they do.
Loved Nepenthe and the Rikers, I do wonder about Thad and this Captain Crandall (who is he really), how did he know where Soji's system of origin is, has he been there before and if so did he by chance take a small boy named Thad there for treatment.
Hugh.
I see that there are some who are hoping to see the USS Titan, with some who don't like the idea being a bit too quick to wave the canon flag, at this point we could see any number of known ships, whether they are canon or not makes no difference because if we see them that makes them canon, top of the likely list include:
Captain Riker - USS Titan
Captain Geordi - USS Challenger
Captain Worf - USS Enterprise E
I would love to see an Odyssey class but it is extremely unlikely, what if they give us all three of the above warping in for the cliffhanger at the end of episode 10 as a counter for Picard not wanting to get them involved.
This one gets a 9 as I want to keep the 10 for what is to come.
I do not understand how Deanna can't feel Soji's emotions. It has no logic.
Do you remember when Q gave Data 10 second of laugh. In that 10 seconds you can see Deanna smiling also, bcs she could feel Data's emotion.
Later Data with help of Geordi installed emotions-chip in his positronic brain, so he could have emotions. That means real emotions that Deanna could feel.
Soji as advenced android with biological body and biological processes in her brain and body has emotions. So it has no sense and logic that Deanna can't feel it.
Do you remember when Q gave Data 10 second of laugh. In that 10 seconds you can see Deanna smiling also, bcs she could feel Data's emotion.
Later Data with help of Geordi installed emotions-chip in his positronic brain, so he could have emotions. That means real emotions that Deanna could feel.
Soji as advenced android with biological body and biological processes in her brain and body has emotions. So it has no sense and logic that Deanna can't feel it.
I'm doubting that Jurati was involved in the Mars Attack. She can't handle being responsible for one death let alone 93,000. You'd think the guilt of that would have had her vomiting up a lot of red velvet cake over the last 14 years. My guess is that it was the Zhat Vash, they were worried about the Federation having a societies worth of synths and figured the only way to stop the Federation from expanding it's synth programs was to have the synths be responsible for the worst attack on Federation soil since the Dominion War.
I think it was Oh that hacked the Mars Synths. Being in the upper echelons of Starfleet security would have made it feasible for her to do it.
Simply put: Deanna is full of BS and can "sense" emotions only in a way of reading body language, because that's what *gasp* real empathic people do and excel at.
How many "No shit, Deanna" moments were there in TNG, where some antagonist yelled for five minutes straight from the viewscreen and Deanna's reaction was: "Captain, I feel that person might be very angry!"?
That was a lovely episode. I liked the nod to Dark Page with Kestra, although it seems she shared a similarly tragic backstory with her dead brother. I shed tears for these parts of the episode, and I can't remember doing that before with the Rikers. 
Kestra herself was very refreshing, and loved the bond she forged with Soji.
Poor Hugh.
I really didn't want him to die, but it felt shocking in a good way, unlike Icheb. Seven had better watch her arse!
I did laugh at the scenes where Jurati was throwing up red velvet cake.
Kestra herself was very refreshing, and loved the bond she forged with Soji.
Poor Hugh.
I really didn't want him to die, but it felt shocking in a good way, unlike Icheb. Seven had better watch her arse!I did laugh at the scenes where Jurati was throwing up red velvet cake.
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One is a direct, automatic, unavoidable effect, while the other is not. Personal experience doesn't change that, it only affects objectivity. I also don't understand your attack here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbal_cigarette#Health_effects
I think the only time Deanna actually admitted to sensing Data's emotions was in Descent, when they were projected into him from an outside source (Lore), so that might be why she caught on to them. On the other hand, if I recall correctly, Tam Elbrun didn't sense anything from Data in Tin Man, despite being a full Betazoid.
But the bottom line is, Deanna could sense and not sense emotions whenever the plot required her. Simple as that.
Oh, I'm sure that's a job many on this board might want to do for her
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Yeah its highly likely, Jurati would have been ideally placed to insert the compromised code, she may not have realised it was compromised though.
I still find the timing to be odd, it makes sense that they would attack when Mrs has a skeleton crew, it would make the levels of resistance lower as well as the resulting death toll.
The real question is there motives and intentions behind the attack, they must have known that attacking Mars when they did could ruin the rescue plan, why would the Zhat Vash do that to their own people, why didn't they just wait until the ships had left.
The only reason I can come up with is that a successful rescue of the Romulans made possible with synthetic help would reinforce the value of synthetics across the Alpha and Beta quadrants, its still pretty weak though as they could have started the attack afterwards and still triggered the ban.
The Zhat Vash motive for the attack is clear cut and it worked as it brought the ban into effect, I question the timing though, did something go wrong with the attack plan, or was the attack plan reliant on the synths taking control of the rescue fleet itself and using it to destroy the Utopia Planetia Fleet yards.
When the truth comes out its the stuff that civil wars are made of.
Troi was practically Christopher Walken from The Dead Zone in Season 1 of TNG but by the second year the producers decided making her more of an empathic counselor and less of a psychic sidekick was the better creative choice.
As someone who has witnessed alcohol induced violence, i'd personally rather be in a room of smokers. If you don't have enough empathy to see why people consider alcohol worse then cigarettes, i can't help you. But here have some facts on what alcohol does to the body and why it's equally irresponsible for television shows to show people binge drinking
https://www.healthline.com/health/alcohol/effects-on-body#1
Maybe she didn't intentionally do it, but was told to push through some upgrade that had the kill switch in it? I just think if Jurati had been brainwashed by Oh it would have been telegraphed a bit more when she went to recruit Jurati.
I'm wondering if maybe the Synths went off script and destroyed the fleet when they were not supposed to? Maybe the original intention was just to destroy the surface installations with as minimal casualties as possible, hence why First Contact day was chosen. Whatever code was implanted in the synths might have made them sentient to some degree and they went savage.
People were going crazy after the first time she returned (people were making screaming videos on Instagram!
)Maybe there are religious reasons for wanting the ban?
Perhaps the Romulans are concerned that creating artificial sentient life is man's attempt to become like the God(s)?
Or perhaps it's much more economic in nature? If you have all of these synths running loose, then there would be no need to integrate the Romulan refugees into the Federation.
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