Spoilers Episode 7 "Nepenthe"

[Yistaan]

Yup. And Hugh's death will be the shortcut for the character development for either Seven (who shouldn't need it) and/ or Elnor (as Hugh was his best friend for a whole 30 minutes).

Women in Refrigerators is a commonly criticized cliche where female characters are killed to advance a male character's development, named after Green Lantern Kyle Rayner's girlfriend stuffed in a refrigerator.

I think the gender inverted version of male characters killed to advance a female character should be called Borg without painkillers or something after the painful ways in which Icheb and Hugh died to advance Seven of Nine.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Then maybe that should be clarified. I think there are other ways for his character to look macho without it. Raffi's portrayal of smoking in a negative light is the best way to go.

We've seen people on trek cool drinking (and not synthehol) for years so I honestly don't see an issue with a character having a casual smoke.

 

[trekfan_1]

6. If Thad was dying, why didn't Riker & Troi move to Baku to save him?

For the same reason the Dominion war wasn't mentioned, The new showrunners dont want to confuse and "alienate" new viewers with something that happened in past trek.

 

[Yistaan]

We've seen people on trek cool drinking (and not synthehol) for years so I honestly don't see an issue with a character having a casual smoke.

Alcohol doesn't have nearly the effect on one's health as smoking does.

For the same reason the Dominion war wasn't mentioned, The new showrunners dont want to confuse and "alienate" new viewers with something that happened in past trek.

And yet they have no problem with namedropping the Kzinti now. New fans are going to have fun trying to fit Larry Niven's books into Star Trek.

 

[Discofan]

Women in Refrigerators is a commonly criticized cliche where female characters are killed to advance a male character's development, named after Green Lantern Kyle Rayner's girlfriend stuffed in a refrigerator.

I think the gender inverted version of male characters killed to advance a female character should be called Borg without painkillers or something after the painful ways in which Icheb and Hugh died to advance Seven of Nine.

To think Hugh was stabbed in the neck. A simple medkit would have saved his life!!

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

Women in Refrigerators is a commonly criticized cliche where female characters are killed to advance a male character's development, named after Green Lantern Kyle Rayner's girlfriend stuffed in a refrigerator.

I think the gender inverted version of male characters killed to advance a female character should be called Borg without painkillers or something after the painful ways in which Icheb and Hugh died to advance Seven of Nine.

I'm not sure fridging male characters to advance female chars is so common as to merit a trope of its own yet...

I'd just prefer that using death for character advancement would be used more sparingly on Picard.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Alcohol doesn't have nearly the effect on one's health as smoking does.

Alcohol incites people to violence and long term abuse can have horrendous effects on the body particularly the liver. Having seen the effects of alcohol abuse first hand I can assure you it's just as bad and in many ways worse than smoking

 

[thribs]

For the same reason the Dominion war wasn't mentioned, The new showrunners dont want to confuse and "alienate" new viewers with something that happened in past trek.

That’s bullshit. They brought in Hugh with little context in the show of who he is. They could bring anything into this easily enough with a little exposition.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

For the same reason the Dominion war wasn't mentioned, The new showrunners dont want to confuse and "alienate" new viewers with something that happened in past trek.

FFS the metaphysical radiation stopped working when people left the planet.

 

[Yistaan]

Alcohol incites people to violence and long term abuse can have horrendous effects on the body particularly the liver. Having seen the effects of alcohol abuse first hand I can assure you it's just as bad and in many ways worse than smoking

Fair enough, no argument from me and my earlier post wasn't clearly thought through.

 

[trekfan_1]

Can we please get a "Ba'ku's deaging effect only works as long people stay on Ba'ku" pinned post somewhere?

I think what Kevman7987 meant (and he can correct me if I'm wrong) is why didn't they move there..as in to stay, live and thrive there.

 

[Discofan]

FFS the metaphysical radiation stopped working when people left the planet.

Reversible aging and de-aging are the cornerstones of modern sci. Fi.

Am I the only one who wondered why McCoy's cure for rapid aging couldn't be used to make old people young? Or are there different ways of being old???

 

[Yistaan]

I think what Kevman7987 meant (and he can correct me if I'm wrong) is why didn't they move there..as in to stay, live and thrive there.

I'm not even sure Baku could help a foreign disease that has nothing to do with aging. It's not even clear if it could help Picard's irumodic syndrome.

 

[trekfan_1]

FFS the metaphysical radiation stopped working when people left the planet.

My point is that they can just stay there. Either permanently or until the cure is accessible in the future after which they can leave the planet and be cured.

 

[Discofan]

I'm not even sure Baku could help a foreign disease that has nothing to do with aging. It's not even clear if it could help Picard's irumodic syndrome.

Which is exactly like Alzheimer's except that it has a different name...

 

[Discofan]

My point is that they can just stay there. Either permanently or until the cure is accessible in the future after which they van leave the planet and be cured.

You don't think these snub-nosed aristocrats would tolerate commoners coming in to cure their fatal diseases, do you?

 

[SJGardner]

My point is that they can just stay there. Either permanently or until the cure is accessible in the future after which they van leave the planet and be cured.

To be fair, Ba'ku is quite isolated in the middle of the barely navigable Briar Patch, and outside Federation territory, at least in the mid-2370s. It wasn't stated outright, but I got the impression that Nepenthe was a Federation colony, and was probably more accessible for the Rikers, especially with that spaceport they mentioned.

 

[trekfan_1]

I'm not even sure Baku could help a foreign disease that has nothing to do with aging. It's not even clear if it could help Picard's irumodic syndrome.

Fair point. I need to re-watch Insurrection. The scene where Admiral Doughty said it could help billions leads me to believe that its much more than simple de-aging. Maybe I';m remembering the details wrong

 

[cooleddie74]

Still have problems with Rios' "cool" smoking. We're a long way down from when Leonard Nimoy refused to have Spock smoke a space cigarette.

Even Roddenberry and Berman Era Trek didn't do completely away with smoking. And Rios and Raffi are the only humans that we've seen smoking anything so far in this series. It's truly tragic that Nimoy died of a respiratory illness and was opposed to having Spock the character smoke anything deemed as an addictive, inhaled substance but this is nothing new to Trek.

 

[Hythlodeus]

I know for sure if given the chance, I wouldn't want to stay on Ba'ku forever. That place is boring and chances that Salieri will show up to destroy the planet are very high