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Star Trek Picard is not Star Trek

DS9 is too dark! There's no starship! They don't go anywhere! The first officer is a woman!*

*I don't remember specifically that Kira being Sisko's first officer was an issue in 1993 but knowing our fandom I'm pretty sure some of the community were up in arms about it.
 
DS9 is too dark! There's no starship! They don't go anywhere! The first officer is a woman!*

*I don't remember specifically that Kira being Sisko's first officer was an issue in 1993 but knowing our fandom I'm pretty sure some of the community were up in arms about it.

My personal favorite (from my days as the VOY Mod): "They have a woman captain! Of course they got lost!"

:rolleyes:
 
DS9 is too dark! There's no starship! They don't go anywhere! The first officer is a woman!*

*I don't remember specifically that Kira being Sisko's first officer was an issue in 1993 but knowing our fandom I'm pretty sure some of the community were up in arms about it.
They don't even have an actual Captain, Sisko's only a Commander.

Which will then either branch off to "what, the black man can't be Captain? Racist!" or "why is a black man in charge? Woke!" depending on one's perspective.
 
I like that it’s different.

One of the reasons that Enterprise and Voyager feel like Star Trek lite (in their defense, I’ve not seen them completely yet), is that I don’t feel they pushed the envelope enough. The stakes didn’t feel high.

Picard is a slow build (which I like), and the stakes feel high, (which I also like), but the storytelling and characterization don’t feel as tight as say season 1 of The Mandalorian.
 
ENT did have a bold prequel concept that had never before been tried in Star Trek. It just fell into some of the habits of its immediate predecessor and didn't really strike out on its own as an original and daring storyline until the Xindi arc in Season 3.
 
Whoa. Whoa. Don't you know that kind of thinking is lazy and in flagrant disregard of Gene's Vision? ;)
Somewhere on a ship of the line, 1720

Sailor 1: "What is all this poop! I heard we're going to stop off in another port before we get home."

Sailor 2: "Yes, captain wants to pick up more freight. It's intercoursing foolish if you ask, me."

Sailor 3: "Sheer intercoursing hubris"
 
I'm pretty sure trolling for tail like a sailor was a part of Gene's Vision™. ;)
You vagabond! Scallywag! Gene was holy and pure. He wanted to deliver us a world full of hope, promise, free healthcare, clean invisible toilet facilities, a well armed fleet of nonmilitary pacifist heavy cruisers, liberated women in microskirts with color coordinated BRIEFS and go-go boots. And thanks to him that is the world we live in today.
 
Then you should know that canon is ever changing and all series have continuity errors.
There are continuity errors and then there is just plain ignoring canon. One is a type of mistake, the other is ignorance. Discovery does not dig into TOS to expand its story telling. We don't explore things that we know transpired before the series (And there are a lot of references). The first season just kind of ignored all canon, especially concerning the Klingons. TNG and DS9, and even Enterprise, had a lot of Klingon stuff in it and Discovery comes around and throws it all out the window and make their own stuff. they have course corrected for season 2, but the damage was done. Picard on the other hand has dig deep into TNG, DS9, Voyager, and even Star Trek 2009 (the future events) to craft this tale. Canon has not been ignored at all, though I won't claim they have gotten it perfect. Canon is ever changing as new media comes out, but ones that clearly ignore what came before and don't fit with what comes after tend to get dumped and rendered non-canon. As in Star Trek the Animated Series.
 
No it really hasn't.
The proper way to build onto canon is to pay attention to what was there before and to seamlessly merge the new stuff in. Discovery instead has decided to throw out the old stuff and rewrite it. Seeing Picard has made it clear to me what the mistakes of Discovery were. Picard has deeply mined TNG to craft this tale. There are so many links and tie-ins and easter eggs that fit with existing canon. Discovery had a bunch of neat stuff, but they threw out the canon Klingons, they threw out the TOS descriptions of Starfleet (an elite core of 12 ships with other support ships that are not called starships and do not sport the arrowhead insignia), threw out many statement from TOS that are so easy to lookup. Picard may not be telling a story to everyone's liking, but it has tapped into canon and is not changing it but adding to it. Discovery ignored most canon and just threw in a few bones and is making things up as they go along. Season two did more when they brought in Pike, Spock, and Number 1, but it is hard to get past where they started. Throwing out all the Klingon lore was a huge mistake. Glad they brought it back, but that is a course correction in response to fan outrage. That sort of proves they know they f***ed up.
 
they threw out the canon Klingons, they threw out the TOS descriptions of Starfleet (an elite core of 12 ships with other support ships that are not called starships and do not sport the arrowhead insignia), threw out many statement from TOS that are so easy to lookup.
Which were the canon Klingons? The honorable ones? The moustache twirling ones? The smooth forehead ones? The Ruffles-forehead ones?

ETA: There were plenty of things said and shown in TOS that were either altered or ignored. We got over it.
 
Nope, not TOS. There is nothing saying the future is a utopia in TOS.

The closest TOS may have come to saying that anything resembling "utopia" existed at that time in history was when characters mentioned how bigotry related to body size, skin color and gender no longer occurred in episodes like "Plato's Stepchildren" and "The Savage Curtain" and that humans no longer feared words.

Well, then you haven't seen it often enough. It is there. Lack of bigotry, lack of money (specifically Star Trek IV), the Prime directive, etc. Kirk and crew spent most of their time voyaging around and discovering new planets so the specifics didn't come up as often. TNG was much more overt. But you have to remember that TNG Season 1, for all its faults, was very much designed to be a continuation of TOS, even down to some very key creative people from TOS (Bob Justman, D.C. Fontana, David Gerrold, not to mention Gene himself). And times had changed and Gene's vision was no longer as radical as it had been in the 60's so he could take it further. You really have to view TOS in light of when it was made to really see how utopian it was. That lack of bigotry did not exist in the real world. Tensions were high and violence was still going on. Just the casting of TOS reveals Gene's goals for the series. The TOS references are more subtle because they had to be at that time, but they are there.
 
especially concerning the Klingons.
The Klingons were exactly where they expanded upon lore, and not just let them continue on as cookie cutter stereotypes that often were presented, outside of the occasional main character.
Lack of bigotry
"Keep whatever bigotry in your quarters." That's not a lack of bigotry. That's acknowledging it exists and allowing people to have their personal opinions while treating others with respect.
lack of money
All the references to investment and credits. Kirk's confusion in ST IV is more an outlier than an indication, especially since McCoy states in the movie prior "Price you name. Money I got."
the Prime directive
Hardly. Kirk regularly interfered in societies. Kirk gets a comment from Gill about how important the PD was, and then Kirk goes and violates it later on in things like "A Private Little War" and "The Apple."

And none of these things listed made TOS utopian in its vision.
 
To those of you who are anti-swearing, let’s see if your sense of humor is back...how many fingers do I have up:

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