Whilst I don't mind the darker tone of Discovery, Picard and possibly Section 31 as well, a Star Trek series with a bit more light and less darkness would be welcomed by me. Star Trek - Pike for example.
Star Trek Picard is not Star Trek
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And yet it didn't stop them. This is the exact opposite to Kirk,* who had very strong negative personal feelings about the Klingons, but did thew right thing nevertheless.
(* I don't remember whether it was this or some thread where we discussed this earlier...)
Yeah, that bothered me too much more than the eye thing.You know what was on my mind after the episode? Not Icheb's eyeball getting scooped out. But, why, as a science officer, was he wearing red?
Kirk was willing to use Organians in a proxy war with the Klingons, going to far to create a resistance on their world whether the locals wanted it or not. I would not necessarily hold up Kirk as the standard bearer for this kind of thing. He just usually was way out there beyond a lot of the local politics.
Yeah, definitely. Though I do mind S31 show on principle, fuck S31 and the people who invented it.
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If we do see a Pike show I doubt we will see S31 in it as it would be the ideal platform to somewhat reset the technology of the era to what some think it should be based on pre TOS, they are stuck with the Discoprise though.
Then those who are happy with Discovery can carry on in the future and those who are not can pretend Discovery never existed and that it was all just fever dream.
I am good either way really and will continue to watch both.
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I think as fandom sees there is more opportunity for Trek to be produced they will be able to demonstrate the variety of their interests. One thing that is often overlooked is what fandom was, either deliberately or not, telling
That doesn't make it OK.
I have a pet theory, dating back to the Reboot Wars of 2009, that a lot of the opposition to the current Trek shows and movies comes not from us old-school TOS fans but from the folks who grew up on 90s-era Trek and who see TNG as the gold standard to which all past and present Trek shows must be be compared.
Mind you, my evidence is entirely anecdotal.
There was a time when I hated DS9. I mean "hated". It wasn't exploration. There was conflict. There was greed. Now I think DS9 is probably some of the best hours of storytelling in the entire franchise (at least the later seasons).
I wonder how some of the people who hate Discovery & Picard now will feel about the shows 10-20 years down the road once the franchise has gone on to the next incarnation that "isn't Star Trek".
I wonder how some of the people who hate Discovery & Picard now will feel about the shows 10-20 years down the road once the franchise has gone on to the next incarnation that "isn't Star Trek".
RIP Star Trek (1966-2005)
Quite possible. It of course makes perfect sense, as TNG is obviously the best Star Trek!
Anecdotal for certain, but it is certainly my experience as well.
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You said your piece and that is fair enough.
Like I have said before its about knowing when to stop.
You were born in 1994, right? So there's a very good chance you discovered all the Star Trek you like after the fact. It had a beginning, middle, and end. It was a finished story.
Then Star Trek came back and "disrupted" this "finished story" and it was done in a way you weren't familiar with. A lot of us, on the other hand, have already been down this rodeo before.
A true fan wouldn't even say that. They'd say "Star Trek: RIP." Obviously.
But Trek lives on and thrives, despite the detractors.
I experience the same here. I know people who started liking Trek via TNG, and went from there, not liking TOS so much, but building their love of Trek from TNG and those spinoffs.
Yet, I started with TOS and love the Kelvin movies (as well as my parents, who started watching in 1966).
I grew up with TNG and the TOS movies, watched most of DS9 and a little bit less of Voyager first run, saw all of Enterprise and then was uncertain but found myself at some level or another enjoying the Kelvin movies and CBSAA shows. All of the series have had terrible episodes in my opinion. All have had highlights. But one thing for certain they all are is Star Trek.
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