Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread
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In-universe, he wasn't a Borg for very long. In real-world production terms, he's the assimilatee who started it all. The character of Seven wouldn't exist if Locutus hadn't gone there first.
My thought is that Picard had more to loose. Now that what happened to Annika wasn't tragic because it is. But, Picard was forced rather violently to give up himself that he had for 40+ years (I don't recall how old he was supposed to be). For a man who values control that would be quite terrifying.
I mean, both are horrifying, but I can see Picard's perspective too.
I mean, both are horrifying, but I can see Picard's perspective too.
I don't know. The Borg were around before then. They might still have gone for characters like Hugh and Seven even if they'd chosen not to do Locutus.
Jeri Ryan didn't really say Picard was a poser
That they assimilated people wasn't established until Locutus. And even then, it was initially treated as an unusual thing, which was later retconned.
Sure, they may have come up with the idea with another character, but that's a what if. If we're talking what really happened, subsequent use of the Borg owes to the success of "The Best of Both Worlds".
Yeah I always assumed 7 dealth with it better has she was assimilated as a child and her inviduality was overwritten more quickly.
Ayup. And her quote implies this: rape is rape - doesn't matter if you're a kid, a woman, a man or trans. Assimilation is rape. It's an other forcing their will onto your body only worse, because they take your mind too. But it's always traumatic whether it was a short-term or long-term experience, and no survivor feels (or should feel) that any other suffered less, nor should society make such judgments.
Isn't this a little uncharitable towards The Expanse?
Yeah I was just watching the scene between Picard and Sisko on DS9 where Sisko brought it up and Picard just turned away and ultimately changed the subject. That was an event that changed countless families forever. I can absolutely believe Picard would have scars from that. He knows he wasn't responsible for it, but I'd imagine he has moments of self doubt.
Ryan's Vulture interview is pretty interesting too. Lots of process stuff. Turns out Jonathan Del Arco is a friend of hers, and they worked on her perfornance together. Small town.
I take it also that the fact that she was out in the desert like that showed all her basic living needs were easily met.
She wasn't poverty stricken at all. But from her attitude and the visuals, it was far from what she wanted.
Its just that her dialog at least suggested Picard was more affluent than her, and attributes that to the lost of her job-- which she blames on Picard.
So the show may be moving towards that aspect of life on earth.
Perhaps she's really pizzed-off about being stuck on Earth and not out among the stars anymore.
She very much seems to me to have been a Star Fleet Lifer.
How the Picard show will end--
Picard: Come on, Will.
Elnor: Please, what does this mean? Always with this Will?
Picard: That's his name: William Thomas Riker.
Riker: I like Number One.
Picard: I named the dog Number One.
Elnor: The dog? You are named after the dog.
Raffi: Can we go home please?
Picard: Come on, Will.
Elnor: Please, what does this mean? Always with this Will?
Picard: That's his name: William Thomas Riker.
Riker: I like Number One.
Picard: I named the dog Number One.
Elnor: The dog? You are named after the dog.
Raffi: Can we go home please?
I thought the characters both held something unique, Picard had his identity stripped from him and he's carrying that. He has a certain amount of Ahab to him even still with that scene.
Seven has very little humanity to recover. I liked the nod to one of her conflicts, BJayzl called her Annika. That struck me since she didn't like being called that on Voyager, barely acknowledged it since that was a child's identity that was stripped out in the maturation tubes. She tried accepting it and maybe it died in her when she had to shoot Icheb. In the interview, Jeri mentions the advice she got to reconnect with the character, What if she makes a conscious choice to be as human as possible to survive?' I think that well describes Seven's predicament, she's acting human. She doesn't want to be Borg but being human is a conscious work in progress for her.
I think both actors caught their character's unique traumas beautifully in that scene.
And yet Hugh seems quite human now in personality despite the fact we've never established if he was ever another individual before being a Borg, and I myself assumed he was basically assimilated as an infant like those baby Borg in Q Who.
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