Or Kirk's "Let them die" comment?
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Or Kirk's "Let them die" comment?
I think Picard tries to reign in Elnor and Seven without coming across as absolutely insufferable and gutless like the Whittaker Doctor does, IMO.
I mean Elnor was not essentially wrong in defending Picard, but lethal force may have not been the best response and that femme fatale (Betazoid?) kingpin was scum that got what was coming to her, but Seven jumped the literal gun and put a (bigger) target on herself (plus Picard was stewing in revenge with First Contact so had first hand experience).
Some, what looks like, very early concept art
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The Romulan CHALLENGED Picard to a Duel to the Death (Probably per Romulan custom). Either Picard died, or he did. And no, Elnor didn't break that custom because he announced beforehand he was 'bound' to Picard, etc. The former Romulan Senator COULD have backed down and ended the encounter honorably; but didn't - he lunged at Picard in an attempt to kill him, ending the duel. Elnor acted as he said he would.
And this is where I always cite Picard (and hell, the 24th century version of the Federation - as in the 23rd Century, the Federation did allow Worlds to have their own societal customs and said nothing - IE Kirk's line: "Your world is yours and will remain yours..." - IE the Federation doesn't dictate how a world's society runs, and allows Death penalties, etc.) as a hypocrite (and this happened ALL THE TIME with Picard in TNG too anytime Worf did something according to Klingon culture and belief that Picard disagreed with) because either he (and the Federation) DEMAND every member (or those accepting the Federation's assistance) adopt the morals and societal norms of the Federation - OR WORSE - as a supposed "accomplished diplomat" Picard has no clue himself (IE never bother to learn) what Romulan customs actually are -- agin in his mind: "If a society is advanced for Galactic travel, it must be just like my Federation".
Thus he knows, and is a hypocrite for berating Elnor in following them.
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He doesn't even know of care about what the Romulan customs are; and DEMANDS everyone conform to the "Federation Way" of thinking.
Well Elnor, considering his super human skill and speed, could've quite easily saved Picard without killing the Romulan senator (considering how deftly he breezed past his thugs without killing them). Picard intentionally stirred up a fight, but miscalculated how Elnor was going to finish it (when Picard as a captain had more control on ending confrontations without killing).
This is even worse than "Thank you, Mr. Data."
two reasons:
a) Fountain of Youth means younger looking Picard means more scenes involving heavy CGI means a more expensive production
b) Picard living on the chateau was part of the AGT future and Chabon liked that bit
c) [okay, there are three reasons...I'll come in again] Living on the family vineyard is not a life Picard wanted. It's not what he would chose to do. So living there is a nice shorthand to show he resigned (he gave up) after he resigned (from Starfleet)
Insurrection isn’t a good movie. No call backs, please.
Elnor and Raffi will find their grievances on being abandoned by Picard are mild in comparison after they trades notes with Anij.
They're gorgeous!
I thought it was just fine. No Undiscovered Country, but then none of the other movies were as good as that one.
Insurrection? Isn't that the one that came after Alien 3? Wait, no. That was Resurrection.
In order to make an argument in another thread I had to reference Insurrection as support...
My first thought was that she was just living off the grid in some special trailer that met all her needs.
But the dialog she had with Picard. She made a sarcastic remark about his big house with fancy furniture.
And that she was living in something of a dump that she was ashamed of. And she seemed to tie that with her being fired from Star fleet.
The Utopia Planatia workers seem to be working for money too.
It looks like the show is implying that humans work for and need money now- a possible retcon. And that social classicism exists.
I just now saw an article accusing the Federation society in Trek Picard of being materialist and greedy. Talk about a 180 degree turn.
Who would have ever thought that would happen.
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Raffi was a washed out paranoid junkie.
What she was living in was paradise compared to what a similar person would have today.
She has stable non overcrowded shelter, food security and likely free high quality healthcare. What more does she want?
That is luxury for 90% of the world today.
There will always be have and haves not.
Not everyone on earth can have a mansion with a vineyard as there is simply not enough space!
All that is realistically possible is to make sure the "poor" have total housing, food and healthcare security which is a utopia. a realistic one.
If Raffi represents the lowest of the low in federation society then we could dream of being so lucky to achieve that in the future.
Once again Raffi's line were ALLEGORY and was really about her emotional abandonment by Picard. Elenor is an example of how Picard is out of touch. He saw Elenor as a child, not a dangerous Assassin. Seven shows how out of touch the audience is with the current future. People seem to think everywhere is wonderful in Star Trek but only the Federation is a functional Utopia (and everybody complains about their job even if they love it).
One of things I can't stand is this criticism that ST isn't sophisticated enough. When it tries to be sophisticated it seems to go above everybody's head. Does Picard have to be "The Expanse" or "The Orville" where everything has to be spelled out.
One of things I can't stand is this criticism that ST isn't sophisticated enough. When it tries to be sophisticated it seems to go above everybody's head. Does Picard have to be "The Expanse" or "The Orville" where everything has to be spelled out.
I don't think it was completely allegorical. Earth citizens could enjoy a very nice standard of living by default, but there are clearly still "have mores". Raffi was resentful that Picard had a fine inherited property and family business to fall back on. I'll agree that wasn't really her main issue with Picard, though.
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I saw no evidence of that.
I have to say I am really enjoying the series so far, and it's actually cool seeing the galaxy without the Starfleet lense that we are very used to by now.
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