Picard: "Just Like Other Sci-Fi"

[rfmcdpei]

I beg to differ. I've been a Trekkie since STAR TREK first aired on NBC, grew up on TOS reruns (back when we just called it STAR TREK), and having been writing TREK novels for more than a quarter of a century now. Pretty sure I don't hate old-school STAR TREK.

I have joked that I am one of those people for who the only captain is Jeffrey Hunter's Captain Pike, that I think the franchise was ruined after introducing that new captain played by whatshisname from Montréal.

But then, I am sure there are some fans who think even "The Cage" marks a degeneration from a platonic ideal.

 

[The Old Mixer]

But then, I am sure there are some fans who think even "The Cage" marks a degeneration from a platonic ideal.

#NotMyForbiddenPlanet

 

[fireproof78]

Have you really thought about this? I suspect that there are a bunch of people compiling a list of episodes that contradict this statement.

Gentlebeings, what we witnessed in this thread was a beautiful example of a logical fallacy. The argument is set up with a definition of exclusion that ensures that this Star Trek never offends personal sensibilities, i.e. the "I know when I see it rule." Then, the argument declares that those who oppose the definition are "haters" of that definition, whereby ensuring no common ground can occur.

It's classic.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Gentlebeings, what we witnessed in this thread was a beautiful example of a logical fallacy. The argument is set up with a definition of exclusion that ensures that this Star Trek never offends personal sensibilities, i.e. the "I know when I see it rule." Then, the argument declares that those who oppose the definition are "haters" of that definition, whereby ensuring no common ground can occur.

It's classic.

I must be a simpleton. I know Star Trek when I'm watching it.

 

[zenophite]

It's pretty much for people that hate Star Trek. I found most of the people that like these new shows hated Star Trek of old.

I'm not sure I'd call myself a fan of ST:Picard and definitely wouldn't for ST: Discovery...That said I don't know if the "Star Trek for those that hate Star Trek" is necessarily true either. Like anything else it has a lot to do with personal taste in storytelling styles, politics, and myriad other things...probably more so than even taste in specific versions of Trek itself.

 

[The Old Mixer]

and definitely wouldn't for STiscovery

But you seem so happy about it...

 

[zenophite]

#NotMyForbiddenPlanet

I don't often laugh aloud based on responses to threads but this one made me spit up my dinner.

 

[Captain Killy]

Well, noncommissioned officers were not really a thing on ST before O’Brien was retconned into one, hence the levity in my choice of words (no offense intended, sorry), but my point is that Keiko was hardly to blame. Not even Sisko was sure he’d accept command of DS9 during the pilot; he was also raising a child and said so.

Yes they were.

 

[Captain Killy]

Good Point.

The leading context and ultimate action is relevant. In two cases you're working within the moral code of the Klingon Empire, a society that is based on the honor of war and violence.

Wait. So you are seriously defending Worf’s killing of Duras, because it‘s “working within the moral code of the Klingon Empire” never-mind that Worf is a Starfleet Officer sworn to uphold the laws and values of the Federation, while simultaneously dumping on Elinor’s (not a Starfleet officer) killing of the Romulan Senator (who BTW was intent on killing Picard, our main protagonist) when that act was “working within the moral code of the Qowat Milat”, the Romulan sect in which Elinor has been raised up his entire life. Hell, Elinor even warned the dude before he did it. Elf-boy was all like “Bro, don’t fuck with the old man, I will kill you.” and dude did it anyway...

You know, you could at least try to be consistent with your argument here...

 

[The Old Mixer]

Elf-boy was all like “Bro, don’t fuck with the old man, I will kill you.”

 

[Captain Killy]

Alas Political agenda's always end up muddying the water to such an extent that no one can see anything anymore.

Star Trek IS a political agenda.

 

[Captain Killy]

You'd want Hawk to give you a dirty look?

Look, I love The Sisko as much as the next Trekkie, but in the giving scary looks department, that man has nothing on Commander William Adama. That man...that man could glare your damn face off.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Look, I love The Sisko as much as the next Trekkie, but in the giving scary looks department, that man has nothing on Commander William Adama. That man...that man could glare your damn face off.

 

[Captain Killy]

Like any other sci fi? I know know about that. It's pretty mediocre compared to other sci fi is my problem with it. Same with Discovery. When you see a show like Orville doing Star Trek better than Trek and then shows like Expanse doing sci-fi better. I can probably go through dozens of other newer shows that are way better scifi than Trek than just those 2. This is just mediocre is my biggest issue.

You mean The Orville is doing better TNG than Picard and Discovery. Which is totally fine BTW because neither Picard nor Discovery are trying to do TNG. And frankly that’s a good thing, cuz TNG did it already...3 decades ago.

 

[fireproof78]

You mean The Orville is doing better TNG than Picard and Discovery. Which is totally fine BTW because neither Picard nor Discovery are trying to do TNG and frankly that’s a good thing, cuz TNG did it already...3 decades ago.

This is a good point.

 

[Captain Killy]

Mediocre defines orville for me.

I’m going to be honest here, I love TNG, it was my introduction to Trek. I was actually interested in The Orville when it was first announced, even if Orville is a stupid damn name for a Starship and yes, I realize that is actually the point. But due to all the toxic, SJW hating, anti-feminist, right wing, professional Discovery (and now Picard) hating internet man babies holding Orville up as “real Trek” I will NEVER watch and have never watched a single damn episode of that series. Unlike the professional haters who supposedly despise Discovery and Picard and yet continue to pay CBS All-Access for the privilege of watching them every single week. And the fact that The Orville’s been forced to move to a subscription based streaming service just fills my sadistic little heart with such joy. Oh god the irony. LOL!!

 

[DaveyNY]

It's pretty much for people that hate Star Trek. I found most of the people that like these new shows hated Star Trek of old.

WOW ... your waaay off the Reservation with that one.

I've been a TOS Fan since Sept. 6th 1966 and I am enjoying PICARD immensely.

Most of the folks complaining about this show are TNG Fanatics and that's proven by just reading the threads in this forum.
I don't have to pull any chit outta my butt.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

Yes they were.

No, they weren’t and still aren’t truly, though O’Brien did open that door a bit further. If they were, we’d be able to bring up random examples (aside from the discontinued yeoman) as easily as those for commissioned officers and immediately rattle off the ranks and insignia. As it stands, I had to go and see what Memory Alpha has pieced together on that subject over the years.

 

[SJGardner]

You mean The Orville is doing better TNG than Picard and Discovery. Which is totally fine BTW because neither Picard nor Discovery are trying to do TNG. And frankly that’s a good thing, cuz TNG did it already...3 decades ago.

I've reached the point where I automatically translate "It's not like Star Trek" to "It's not like TNG," mostly because Voyager and Enterprise kept doing increasingly more watered down versions of TNG for 11 more seasons. We've already got 18 seasons of TNG, that's more than enough for me, thank you very much.

If only they were braver with Voyager and didn't roll back all the Maquis-Starfleet conflict, scarce resources, damage to the ship sticking etc. ideas in favor of more TNG-lite stories, then we wouldn't be in all this mess now where some people mistake Berman & Co. playing it safe for Star Trek being a formula or framework for storytelling as opposed to a franchise/setting with a large variety of stories to tell.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Look, I love The Sisko as much as the next Trekkie, but in the giving scary looks department, that man has nothing on Commander William Adama. That man...that man could glare your damn face off.

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