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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x05 - "Stardust City Rag"

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So i just wanted to say about what ever im sorry and this series just seems to trigger the worst in and me on a visceral level and im going to refrain from focusing or commenting on picard further or watching for my own sake and yours and have fun in something i cant. Icheb just reminds me of somone I used to know
 
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They weren't dead. As long as there are ways to revive someone, that person isn't dead and refusing them that treatment amounts to murder.
They were dead. Revival means you had to be dead before.

Pretty much my feeling. The moment I saw Wesley I wanted him dead. That and Riker giving commands on the bridge when the captain is sitting right there in charge. Time for for Riker to get a beating with the old chain of command was my reaction.
When I first saw Wes, I wanted to be his friend. Riker gave the obvious commands so Picard had more time to ponder the next moves already.

do you not live in the real world? because thats idealistic to say the least and foolish at worst
It's a quote from the episode, Picard said that.

Well, it's the best I can do.;)
For instance, can you find a single thing shared by all life? Well, I can't and yet "life" is supposed to be better defined than Star Trek.
Nucleic acids? Metabolism?

There’s no reason they had to be lovers. It doesn’t add anything to the plot or to Jurati’s motives. Unless this is some jilted lover thing, which is equally lazy. They could have just been mentor/colleagues. It’s the romance I find offensive, not the general age difference.
I don’t read tie ins so I don’t know what you’re talking about. But I do know that one or even ten examples of older woman/younger man in media doesn’t make older man/younger woman any less played out because it’s been done a million times more and the power dynamic is simply not the same. I’m sure you didn’t click on Cake’s links. You should.
Them being loves made her killing him much worse, Aggie was clearly agonized. Wouldn't be that heavy to just kill a colleague. Which links? Can't see Cake's post list cause it's blocked.

Just for the record I dont really like the character of picard as much as Kirk or Sisko
Im going to be fair and say Picard tended to be full of shit alot
And you wonder why you don't like the show called Picard as much as most other people here do? XD

People who didn't like the gore or violence... I'm wondering if they forgot some of TNG. A character is split in half on screen after phase shifting through the floor, Riker/Picard explodes a guys head with their phasers, Riker's arm is surgically removed and reattached, Tasha randomly killed out of nowhere, Data was about to kill a guy and more.
Close-up organ extraction is a whole new level, though. Vaporization was always quick, floor shifting was bloodless, head explosions were very blink-and-you-miss-it, arm removal wasn't shown, Tasha only had spots on her face, Fajo wasn't killed.

whatever i guess no one cares about the opinion of gay southern hick i hate being ganged up on in threads im done for real
I care about gays in particular, but some of your posts are a little odd or misplaced in their respective threads. I think we all respect you, we just disagree with some of the things you post.

Seven of Nine was absolutely a cameo for cameo's sake. It was utterly forced and unnecessary.
You better don't watch the Riker and Troi cameo episodes then :p
 
People who didn't like the gore or violence... I'm wondering if they forgot some of TNG. A character is split in half on screen after phase shifting through the floor, Riker/Picard explodes a guys head with their phasers, Riker's arm is surgically removed and reattached, Tasha randomly killed out of nowhere, Data was about to kill a guy and more.

Uhhh.... Yeah, seing a woman (probably a mannequin) half way through a floor, a computer image of Riker's arm surgery and red splotch on Tasha's cheek is exactly the same as a gruesome scene filled with stage-blood of a guy getting his eye ripped out of his skull.

Good work on the equivalence there.

Only thing you kinda got on the mark was the Conspiracy scene and even then there's a good level of difference in how it was portrayed and the reason why it was happening.
 
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From what we last saw of her, probably busy being admiraly. If they wanted to work it in for a future Seven appearance, they might touch upon Seven thematically having been another abandoned child.
Characters always seem to behave differently when they're not appearing in a weekly TV show. If Seven had gone all Bronson while Voyager was on the air, Janeway would have stopped at nothing to bring her home and set her straight. But, since these events happened between shows, she's all like, "I kind of wondered where you were when you didn't call." :rommie:

I love TNG, but the show loved to hit us over the the head with how superior its version of humanity was to everyone else; and it's come out in the wash over the years that a lot of Trek fans didn't like the show specifically because of that aspect. Having one wry observer among a group of humans who've improved but admit they're still working on it is more likable than having an entire crew of humans who are constantly reminding us how perfect they're supposed to be. It's an aspect of the show that hasn't aged well.
I never really felt hit over the head with anything, and I really appreciated a show that advocated for high standards-- especially in the pits of the Reagan Era when low standards had become a point of pride. Not only has that idea aged well for me, but I think it's needed more than ever in the Millennial Era. :rommie:
 
Uhhh.... Yeah, seing a woman (probably a mannequin) half way through a floor, a computer image of Riker's arm surgery and red splotch on Tasha's cheek is exactly the same a gruesome scene filled with stage-blood of a guy getting his eye ripped out of his skull.

Good work on the equivalence there.

Only thing you kinda got on the mark was the Conspiracy scene and even then there's a good level of difference in how it was portrayed and the reason why it was happening.

That was 30 years ago - many young viewers of TNG are now more worried about their prostate exam.

The past is gone, it is not coming back.
 
They were dead. Revival means you had to be dead before.
Wrong. Being dead means that you can open the will and divide the estate. It means that there is no way in hell to bring you back otherwise you're not dead. You may be in a very fragile state that needs urgent and constant support, like people in a coma or in an iron lung for example. But that's not being dead. "Revival" is an abuse of language, in fact in other languages it's not called "revival". In French, we say "reanimation" which according to the Latin root means "put your soul back in your body". Words are often used abusively. Get used to it.

When we say "inanimate objects" it means "objects without a soul".


Nucleic acids? Metabolism?

There's no metabolism in viruses. Nucleic acids are found in nonliving things, like meteorites for example. If you list things that are found in living things as well nonliving, you may as well say, atoms, electrons... etc...
 
Fairly sure that they were declared dead as far as wills go when their corpses were put on the satellite.

They weren't dead as far as wills go since the rich guy had lawyers managing his fortune until he was brought back to take it back. If he were legally dead, such disposition wouldn't be possible. Dead people can't hold to their possessions, they have to bequeath them to somebody or the state will confiscate them.
 
Riker gave the obvious commands so Picard had more time to ponder the next moves already.
Two people giving commands in a combat situation is a good way to make things go FUBAR.
I never for a second got the impression that Riker was overstepping his bounds in those moments; rather that he was taking responsibility for exactly the sorts of commands that Picard expected him to, however they divvied things up. This was our first show with a dedicated first officer who wasn't manning a console, so he had to do something.

Characters always seem to behave differently when they're not appearing in a weekly TV show. If Seven had gone all Bronson while Voyager was on the air, Janeway would have stopped at nothing to bring her home and set her straight. But, since these events happened between shows, she's all like, "I kind of wondered where you were when you didn't call." :rommie:
Voyager was home, old crew had moved on, and little birdies have to leave the nest sometime.

Or maybe Janeway did relentlessly pursue Seven. And Seven killed her.

I never really felt hit over the head with anything, and I really appreciated a show that advocated for high standards-- especially in the pits of the Reagan Era when low standards had become a point of pride.
It didn't bother me at the time, but having seen the criticism so many times, I can see how the TNG crew could easily have come across as elitist...which could have been a big trigger for me back in the day, though it wasn't.

Not only has that idea aged well for me, but I think it's needed more than ever in the Millennial Era. :rommie:
Drink! :p

Fairly sure that they were declared dead as far as wills go when their corpses were put on the satellite.
Offenhouse seemed to think his money would be sitting right where he left it, as if institutions and governments wouldn't have risen and fallen in 400 years under even the best of circumstances. That bit of utter cluelessness is why I don't give him much credit, as many do, for his little redemptive moment when he made a good call on the bridge. So they let him fill Troi's shoes and tell the captain something really obvious...whoopdy-doo.
 
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It didn't bother me at the time, but having seen the criticism so many times, I can see how the TNG crew could easily have come across at elitist...which could have been a big trigger for me back in the day, though it wasn't.
I always took it as a holdover from TOS in a sense but Spock had a job as science officer for Nimoy to act opposite Kirk when both were on the bridge. I think the writers just didn't know what to do with him as first officer on the bridge so they gave him odd useful jobs that really should be the captain's by default. Defense of the ship doesn't strike me as a job for a captain to delegate. It might explain why Star Fleet gets its ass handed to it so often, though. It's not a deal breaker on its own, just one of the many things that annoyed me with TNG.

This has nothing to do with Picard, though and also this is why I don't visit the TNG forum, either.
 
There might even have been some real-world military protocol involved, though I couldn't say how closely they were following it.
 
How exactly is it dystopian? People keep saying it, but no ones citing evidence to back it up, Reminder: Freecloud is NOT a Federation world. Vashti and the Ranger‘s territory is not in Federation space. If you’re calling PIC dystopian because of some lawless frontier planets outside of/on the ragged edge of the Federation, then TNG must be Dystopian because they went to Tasha Year’s home planet or Star Trek: The Final Frontier took place on Nimbus III or ENT was dystopian because of the Borderlands.

The federation morphing into an uncaring bureaucracy reacting to fears instead of behaving rationally being the main reason. The "synths" being banned seemingly with no proper investigation over what happened, the federation stopping all aid to the Romulans due to one Federation colony being devastated out of thousands, Starfleet security being infiltrated and having Romulan agents operating on Earth, etc being examples.

Also the collapse of the Romulan Neutral Zone and the federation pulling out of the area makes no sense compared to what we've seen in the past. The neutral zone is from a 250 year old treaty. If it collapsed the federation would probably expand out into the neutral zone further. The Romulan Empire wouldn't be that weakened by the supernova of their main system with years to evacuate.

Yes it's awesome to see Picard and small appearances from other characters we care about again but the story doesn't make much sense when you really think about it. As written it could easily be any generic sci-fi show with a few surface changes. :shrug:
 
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The episode is not focused on her, it just wants you to think it is.



She's actually not the focus of the story. She's just a very crappy plot device that was thrust into the season simply for the sake of fan service. And it shows. The show bends over backwards in utterly stupid and inorganic ways to get here there and her value to Picard and the crew is the crappiest kind of forced coincidence.

But if you cut out the Seven stuff, nothing really happens in this episode. Picard finally meets up with Maddox, who tells him what the viewers already know before being murdered. Oh, and we see Raffi was a bad mom. That's about it. Unlike the last episode, there's not really even any discernible theme or character arc for Picard. He doesn't really "learn" anything about himself, or grow in any manner whatsoever.
 
The federation morphing into an uncaring bureaucracy reacting to fears instead of behaving rationally being the main reason. The "synths" being banned seemingly with no proper investigation over what happened, the federation stopping all aid to the Romulans due to one Federation colony being devastated out of thousands, Starfleet security being infiltrated and having Romulan agents operating on Earth, etc being examples.

That’s not a Dystopia.

dys·to·pi·a
/disˈtōpēə/
noun
noun: dystopia; plural noun: dystopias

an imagined state or society in which there is great suffering or injustice, typically one that is totalitarian or post-apocalyptic

Now, I would certainly call out the Imperium of Man (or anything in the 40k Universe) as Dystopian, but the United Federation of Planets, not so much.
 
Good work on the equivalence there.

Thanks!

If you're squeamish about eye gore specifically then don't watch First Contact where a drill goes right up to Picard's eye and then an implant bursts out of his cheek.

There really isn't much better reason for having the graphic exploding head in Conspiracy. They could have shown that guy simply vaporizing but chose to make it more gory. Here I suppose the gore is meant to emphasize the damage done to him.
 
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