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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x05 - "Stardust City Rag"

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Then Seven beams over, says she just said that to placate Picard and vaporizes a woman. So, that last action sort of undoes the previous one. It feels as if the optimism bits are immediately undone by anti-optimism bits and those anti-bits seemed to be turned up a notch for the shock value of it.
Yes, Seven of Nine is shown to be jaded. What about Picard? Isn't he starting to summon his moral strength more and more with each episode? Is he not still on his "Search for Spock," but doing so in part out of feelings that are both noble and familiar?
 
Yes, Seven of Nine is shown to be jaded. What about Picard? Isn't he starting to summon his moral strength more and more with each episode? Is he not still on his "Search for Spock," but doing so in part out of feelings that are both noble and familiar?

Picard's moral strength has always been there. Spreading that moral strength is what should matter and, well, it seems it's not entirely working when people he makes a connection with placate him, beam away, and then continue to fight to regain their humanity in the wrong direction.
 
Like I said with the Seven/Picard thing. There's a nice and touching scene with them talking and both saying how they struggle every day to regain all of their humanity after being assimilated. Which is nice and touching moment.

Then Seven beams over, says she just said that to placate Picard and vaporizes a woman. So, that last action sort of undoes the previous one. It feels as if the optimism bits are immediately undone by anti-optimism bits and those anti-bits seemed to be turned up a notch for the shock value of it.

Seven has always been somewhat morally stunted (being raised to kill and enslave will do that to a person).

Younger Millennials --> They became Whovians instead of Trekkies

Or they watch "The Orville".
 
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Ummmm not so much ...
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Any real lasting impact its quikly forgtton in the movie along with teh distrcution of the enteprise and has no room to breath, nope were walking
 
Picard's moral strength has always been there. Spreading that moral strength is what should matter and, well, it seems it's not entirely working when people he makes a connection with placate him, beam away, and then continue to fight to regain their humanity in the wrong direction.
The first episode seems to contradict this. He was resigned, not just from Starfleet, but from life. He holed himself up in his mansion and wrote books. He became passive. He became a spectator, not a participant.
 
Then Seven beams over, says she just said that to placate Picard and vaporizes a woman. So, that last action sort of undoes the previous one. It feels as if the optimism bits are immediately undone by anti-optimism bits and those anti-bits seemed to be turned up a notch for the shock value of it.

It's heavily implied in the episode that 'Annika' would have agreed with Picard but then her surrogate son is captured and murdered by a woman that she put her trust and faith in, understandably changing her world view. Personally, I think Seven went easy on Bjayzl and gave that psychopathic, narcissistic monster a quicker death than she deserved
 
The first episode seems to contradict this. He was resigned, not just from Starfleet, but from life. He holed himself up in his mansion and wrote books. He became passive. He became a spectator, not a participant.
The show, so far, has been Picard learning the limits to that moral strength and the cost to people when things didn't work out Picard's way.
 
The show, so far, has been Picard learning the limits to that moral strength and the cost to people when things didn't work out Picard's way.
This has definitely been the theme of these first episodes. I think there are also dimensions to Picard's rediscovery of himself. I think we are moving away from the man who accept being turned down by Clancy and could summon greater rhetorical force.
 
Any real lasting impact its quikly forgtton in the movie along with teh distrcution of the enteprise and has no room to breath, nope were walking
Which makes it worse and cheap if that happened. But, David's death, and Icheb's both carry impact on characters in the story. So it serves narrative purpose.

More than I can say for other horror scenes in Trek.
 
More than I can say for other horror scenes in Trek.[/QUOTE]
The morality Picard displayed in TNG ... and increasingly is this series ... is not a catechism. It is something to be put into practice.
Im going to be fair and say Picard tended to be full of shit alot
 
but most of those were characters with no real back story glorified extras
You mean, like Maddox and Icheb? (jk)
Speaking in very board generalities
Heh. I was about to say... TNG was my default Trek when I was a kid, but DS9 became my default as I got older. Now, the older I get, the more TNG is becoming difficult to watch. Also, I became a Whovian pretty much instantly when my local PBS station began showing Series One in 2007 (two years late is better than never, right?)
 
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