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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

look at those glasses. How good could his vision have been with those glasses.
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His vision was fine enough to find the coke and the boobs :lol:
 
Action/adventure series with social commentary potentially built in. Sounds like Trek to me

There may be action, brainless action that is (skinhead Romulans with motorcycle helmets that aim worse than Stormtroopers launching their silly attacks), but there is zero social commentary. Where do you see any relevant social commentary? Potentially, yes. That's all it is - potentially. Sounds (and looks) like 0% Trek to me.

And swearing? Come on. Trek has pushed that envelope at every turn. That's not new.

Pushing the envelope? That's not pushing the envelope, that's regressing to a state of brainless and primitive B-grade action show.

If there was not one negative comment, how could we treat the negative comments with disdain?

That's why I put it in brackets. There appear to be none.

This is just silly. There's no reason why an internet forum and a TV show should have the same content rules. I wouldn't GAF if this forum did allow unlimited cursing and so forth. But it doesn't.

Why should it be silly? Star Trek never had such profanity nor is it characteristic of Trek to feature such profanity like "$h#t" or "f******". You consider that appropriate? It's not appropriate using it here but it is appropriate to be used in a show that never in its 700+ episodes and 10 movies has used it?

Clearly you haven't read any of the episode threads. There are negative comments in those, especially in the episode 5 thread.

Well I hope so 'cause it truly deserves every negative review/comment it can get.

But over all, people completely disliking the show appear to be in the minority here.

Apparently. Suspiciously in minority. Hence my comment on the CBS affiliation. Which was denied. There is however no way of really knowing it, is there?

He didn't plagiarize anything.

He is the master plagiarist, a hack. If he reads this, I say, he can go to hell. That hack hasn't deserved any less.

I don't know if logic works here.:vulcan:

Well there is certainly no logic in this Fake Trek: Prickhard

What spirit/canon has been trampled?

You really don't see it for yourself? Then there is really no point in pointing it out for you.

Why do you feel there's no creativity?

I don't feel it. Please don't try manipulating people with words. I know there is none, because I see it, I hear it, i.e. I see none and hear none.

The gig is up. It's true. Not only is this site sponsored by CBS All Acces, I'm on its payroll. Making some pretty good money.

We salute your bravery.

You salute my bravery? I don't need your f***** salutation. Your reply is actually a confirmation of what I stated earlier, namely that here negative comments are practically nonexistent and undesirable in this Kurtzman/CBS All Asses shill nest. Any and every negative commentary is considered "bravery", instead being considered sane judgment.

Now, go enjoy the latest episode of The Orville.

You bet I will.

look at those glasses. How good could his vision have been with those glasses.

His vision was fine enough to find the coke and the boobs :lol:

CBS All Asses shills? Klutzman fan(atic)s? GR haters? Or simply all of it?
 
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Has nobody wondered about and been surprised by the profanities and the F bombs in this series (having the name Star Trek), which is so uncharacteristic of and misplaced in Star Trek? Is nobody here bothered by that? Everyone would be bothered by it if it were used here, in the threads of this forum, where its rules prohibit its use
I missed this line upon first skimming of the wall of manifesto. Another clarification: There is no fucking rule against using the fucking F-word on this fucking board. What is against the rules is telling somebody to fuck off or calling them a motherfucker. It's all a matter of fucking context.

The More You Fucking Know.™

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In the post briefly quoted from below, I took the liberty of fixing your quote tags because they were misattributing the quotes.

CBS All Asses shills?
Now that is against the rules, as you were referring to posters here. Warning for Flaming, comments to PM (Conversations).
 
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I missed this line upon first skimming of the wall of manifesto. Another clarification: There is no fucking rule against using the fucking F-word on this fucking board. What is against the rules is telling somebody to fuck off or calling them a motherfucker. It's all a matter of fucking context.

I did no such thing nor would I do that (in bold). The rules, however, state, if I'm not mistaken, that the F word is, mildly put, not desirable.

Funny how it is accepted in this show - that has the title "Star Trek" - as something completely normal, and is even considered by some as "pushing the envelope". Techno-babble would probably be the object of derision here, but no, not such profanities... which actually never, ever had a place in the known Star Trek universe nor should they have.

Now that is against the rules, as you were referring to posters here. Warning for Flaming, comments to PM (Conversations).

That was probably a typo on my part, in which double c became double s. Gee, how could that happen to me. I'll have to pay more attention to that. Thanks for the heads up.

Dix, what are you even trying to do here? Most of us like the show. You don't. But you don't post any critique which can be engaged with in any serious way. What sort of responses do you expect?

I'm not trying anything, only expressing my honest criticism of this show and wondering at the lack of the same in this place. Most like it, I get it. Fine. If they really do. But how can there be any real discussion if everyone is praising that thing? If there is zero critique, which, if you ask me, is absolutely justified in this case. That's almost like North Korea... there's only praise for the Great Leader, no matter how bad he is. Sorry, I can't quite get or really accept that. You're right, I don't like it, I don't like it at all. And I wish to say that, clearly and honestly, openly. Even among the clique who supposedly love it to death, even though there have been only a handful (of bad) episodes of it. And, according to those same folks, who supposedly like and watch Star Trek, Gene R. is a whoremonger and cocaine addict (why such people watch Star Trek at all and "like it" if they dislike or even hate its creator, I wonder). I do not wish to insult you, if you honestly like the show and wish an honest discussion, but I do have some harsh words for its creators, that I admit. I think those ****** deserve it, completely. I do have concrete points of critique, and there are far too many, that I would like to address, for a discussion in a serious way, if you will allow me. However at this moment I don't have much time so I will put it off for later (I did address one issue earlier on, and it concerns the dreadful and totally unnecessary F and $h#t profanities).
 
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Wow, this thread took a turn...

I try not to engage with obvious nonsense, but I guess you caught me on a bad day, @Dix. To suggest that there is no criticism of the show on this board is insane - there are unquestionably some very vocal folk in here, expressing displeasure with the show. Hell, some of them don’t even go about it in the best way, from my perspective, but they’re still there. To say they aren’t just shows the lack of actual browsing you’ve done in here. Heck, finding such criticism would’ve taken less time than it took you to write those rage-filled unproductive posts.

Me? I love the show. Everything about it. Well, not everything, as I’d rather have 52-55 minute episodes rather than 45, but hey ho. Do I understand the criticism thrown PIC’s way? Nope. In fact, most of it appears rooted in some elitist attitude that Trek is somehow above all other sci-fi, and so the idea that a Trek show would dare stray away from previous formats is just a terrible terrible thing. Give me a break.

Anyway, take a chill pill, friend. Heck, get out of this forum if it’s causing you that much anxiety. You clearly won’t change your opinion on the show, so why engage in conversation about it? Especially with people who you feel have completely opposite opinions to you?

In fact, I don’t understand how it’s completely acceptable that you can so passionately hate this show (and hate doesn’t even seem to do it justice), but if other people are on the other end of the spectrum to you, they’re paid CBS moles.

Come on. I think there needs to be a bit of maturity here.
 
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Firstly, that's Klingon. Klingons obviously use more swear words. Secondly, that's in Klingon, not in English. And, thirdly, those swear words, even in Klingon, are of a rather milder intensity (like e.g. damn, bastard, hell, etc.), which sometimes did appear in Trek. The aforementioned sh**t and f****ing, however did not. Ever. Nor should there be any place for them in the 24th century human vernacular. That's simply 21st century vernacular.

maybe not, but compared to your rants I feel like an elder statesman

Compared to your juvenile comment on GR I feel like Mensa member with the highest score.
 
I did no such thing nor would I do that (in bold).
And I wasn't accusing you of doing so. Those were examples.

The rules, however, state, if I'm not mistaken, that the F word is, mildly put, not desirable.
If you're referring to this part, which is often misunderstood...
T'Bonz said:
- No slurs. The N----- word, the F-- word, etc. (Slurs, not profanity) If it's borderline, just don't do it. This covers race, sexuality, ethnicity and religion or lack of religion. Just don't insult others.
The "F--" is meant to be the three-letter slur against homosexuals. "Fuck" is profanity, but not a slur.
 
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You see, that's an expletive. That's considered to be much milder than using the word sh*t do designate other things, which they do in this show, in episode 3, I think. And it's used in this fashion not once, but on several occasions. What Data said was uttered as a sort of shock and surprise, and, considering that he had his emotional chip turned on, it wouldn't be that surprising that some of those 21st century words stored in his positronic brain were retrieved and used at that moment. Besides, that expletive is masked by the surrounding noise to such an extent and uttered in such a quiet way that it almost goes unnoticed if one does not pay attention. So, it's not really a fitting example nor a justification for the aforementioned use in STP.
 
You see, that's an expletive. That's considered to be much milder than using the word sh*t do designate other things, which they do in this show, in episode 3, I think. And it's used in this fashion not once, but on several occasions. What Data said was uttered as a sort of shock and surprise, and, considering that he had his emotional chip turned on, it wouldn't be that surprising that some of those 21st century words stored in his positronic brain were retrieved and used at that moment. Besides, that expletive is masked by the surrounding noise and uttered in not a loud way that it almost goes unnoticed if one does not pay attention. So, it's not really a fitting example nor a justification for the aforementioned use in STP.
Oh, it's not a justification, I was just interested where you would move the goalposts next. because, let's be clear about it, I stopped giving a fuck a couple of posts ago.
 
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