Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[Dix]

Oh, it's not a justification, I was just interested where you would move the goalposts next. because, let's be clear about it, I stopped giving a fuck a couple of posts ago.

No, you simply failed at your attempt to find justification for the profanities in STP by some quasi arguments and obscure swearing references of past Trek shows, whether you admit it or not.

 

[Hythlodeus]

No, you simply failed at your attempt to find justification for the profanities in STP by some quasi arguments and obscure swearing references of past Trek shows, whether you admit it or not.

again, no justification involved. Swearing was always a part of Star Trek, since McCoy first showed up on the bridge of the 1701. You can accept it and move on or you can move the goalposts until they can't be moved any longer. we went from "profanity was never used in Star Trek" to "Mild profanity and profanity in other languages doesn't count, we never heard shit and fuck before" to "shit does only count if it is screamed". believe me, the usage of profanity is not a hill you wanna die on. Picard himself used fucking profanity in the very first episode of TNG

 

[Dix]

Was anyone else delighted that Seven turned into a revenge-obsessed b*tch? I know I was.

 

[DaveyNY]

I'm not sure anybody really needs to justify the characters swearing in Star Trek beyond the fact that it's something that people have been doing pretty much since the dawn of man and makes the show more relatable.

Apparently a more realistic take on Humanity as a whole is an abhorrent thing that should never ever be a part of Star Trek.

Now..., who's got the bar of soap?
We need to clean this shit up!

 

[BillJ]

I'm not trying anything, only expressing my honest criticism of this show and wondering at the lack of the same in this place.

There's plenty of criticism of the show in all the various threads here. I tend to like Picard for the most part, tend to dislike Discovery for the most part. At the end of the day, spewing venom just for the sake of it, really does no one any good.

 

[Hythlodeus]

revenge-obsessed b*tch?

Is that kind of profanity really necessary?
[also: that's a misogynistic slur, so I'm actually serious]

 

[Turtletrekker]

I think sometimes people confuse Gene Roddenberry with Walt Disney. Gene didn't intend Star Trek as "clean wholesome fun for the whole family". His intent was to create an intelligent and adult science fiction show that pushed as many boundries as it could. When Kirk said "Let's get the hell out of here" in City on the Edge of Forever, that was pushing the censors of the time to their limit. In 1966, that was considered cussing/swearing on TV. In TNG, Picard swore in French more than once as that was a way to get it by the censors. If Rodenberry had had an outlet like CBS All Access in which to express his vision, you could be damn sure that his characters would swear. There would be nudity as well. Probably gratuitous nudity. Gene would have had to be held back and would've made what we've seen and heard in DSC and PIC seem tame in comparison.

 

[Dix]

again, no justification involved. Swearing was always a part of Star Trek, since McCoy first showed up on the bridge of the 1701. You can accept it and move on or you can move the goalposts until they can't be moved any longer. we went from "profanity was never used in Star Trek" to "Mild profanity and profanity in other languages doesn't count, we never heard shit and fuck before" to "shit does only count if it screamed". believe me, the usage of profanity is not a hill you wanna die on.

If people accept that crap, i.e. profanities like f***ing and sh*t, in Trek what's next? Picard saying "motherf***er"?
You're simply wrong here but are trying to make some excuse for this shitty and unnecessary use of profanities in a show called Star Trek. There are some examples, but, like I said, those were always within parameters of the acceptable family-friendly show, e.g. damn, hell, or even that word sh*t in French and as an expletive, and that's only in a few episodes among 700+ (!). Here we have profanities in every or almost every episode, and there are only like 10 episodes.

Picard himself used fucking profanity in the very first episode of TNG

He used "merde" (sh*t in French), if I'm not mistaken. When was word f**** used by Picard?

 

[Tuskin38]

He is the master plagiarist, a hack.

No he isn’t.

 

[Dix]

W

Is that kind of profanity really necessary?
[also: that's a misogynistic slur, so I'm actually serious]

Well, it's not. But you see my point. People can namely be bothered by that. The question is, would that bother you if it appeared within the context of a "Star Trek" episode?

 

[Dix]

No he isn’t.

Well, OK, then only a plagiarist.

 

[Tuskin38]

Well, OK, then only a plagiarist.

He hasn’t plagiarized anything.

 

[Longinus]

Well, it's not. But you see my point. People can namely be bothered by that. The question is, would that bother you if it appeared within the context of a "Star Trek" episode?

Of course it depends on the context, but it might actually bother me as it indeed is a word with misogynic connotations, thus implying sexism rather than just being colourful language.

 

[Hythlodeus]

If people accept that crap, i.e. profanities like f***ing and sh*t, in Trek what's next? Picard saying "motherf***er"?

JL doesn't seem the type, Raffi is more likely. Or Seven maybe. I look forward to it

There are some examples, but, like I said, those were always within parameters of the acceptable family-friendly show, e.g. damn, hell, or even that word sh*t in French and as en expletive, and that's only in a few episodes among 700+ (!). Here we have profanities in every or almost every episode, and there are only like 10 episodes.

That's the difference between TV censorship in the 60s and 80s and modern TV/streaming shows with MA ratings. "Damn, hell, dammit" were equivalent to "fuck, shit and fucking" back in the TOS years when it came to viewer outrage. Gene - ashtray-glasses aside - pushed hard to get those on air

 

[Hythlodeus]

W


Well, it's not. But you see my point. People can namely be bothered by that. The question is, would that bother you if it appeared within the context of a "Star Trek" episode?

depends on the context

 

[Lord Garth]

You see, that's an expletive. That's considered to be much milder than using the word sh*t do designate other things, which they do in this show, in episode 3, I think. And it's used in this fashion not once, but on several occasions. What Data said was uttered as a sort of shock and surprise, and, considering that he had his emotional chip turned on, it wouldn't be that surprising that some of those 21st century words stored in his positronic brain were retrieved and used at that moment. Besides, that expletive is masked by the surrounding noise to such an extent and uttered in such a quiet way that it almost goes unnoticed if one does not pay attention. So, it's not really a fitting example nor a justification for the aforementioned use in STP.

The short version of this post: "I like Generations, so I'm moving the goalposts."

 

[DaveyNY]

look at those glasses. How good could his vision have been with those glasses.

I got to meet him at two Trek Conventions and a college lecture he gave back then.
He really was the "King of the Nerds" for those of us who got to meet and fawn over him in person.


(and boy, could he sweet talk the ladies)

 

[Hythlodeus]

I got to meet him at two Trek Conventions and a college lecture he gave back then.
He really was the King of the Nerds for those of us who got to meet and fawn over him in person.

how was his vision back then?

 

[DaveyNY]

how was his vision back then?

He needed glasses on a daily basis to function properly (like me), but his vanity usually kept them out of sight.
(whereas I always prefer to not trip over my own feet and wear mine constantly)



If you're asking in a non-literal way, he usually had a drink in one hand and a cigarette in the other and was more than willing to espouse his personal feelings about the future between hitting on the next pretty girl that passed his way.

(he never would have survived the recent @MeToo wave that hit Hollywood)

 

[Blooded]

What Data said was uttered as a sort of shock and surprise, and, considering that he had his emotional chip turned on, it wouldn't be that surprising that some of those 21st century words stored in his positronic brain were retrieved and used at that moment.

Those words existed before the 21st century, and they’ll exist long after, as Trek has demonstrated