Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x04 - "Absolute Candor"

[Mr. Laser Beam]

So you're saying the Romulan refugees should evacuate the planet?

No, I just think it unlikely that they would have been put there in the first place if there was an indigenous human population.

I honestly don't remember seeing any humans on Vashti other than Picard. But if that "Romulans Only" sign is to be believed, there probably are. I guess the humans probably just keep to their own colony and don't go there anymore.

 

[BillJ]

No, I'm just saying that I think it unlikely that they would have been put there in the first place if there was an indigenous human population.

The human population welcomed them.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The human population welcomed them.

Perhaps they did - at first.

But things seem to have gotten worse by the time Picard went back there. The English words on the "Romulan Social Club" sign were scrubbed, and the "Romulans Only " sign went up.

 

[eschaton]

No, I'm just saying that I think it unlikely that they would have been put there in the first place if there was an indigenous human population.

That was during the "detante" era - and before Romulus blew up.

If there is a rivalry it's between The Federation and the Romulans - not Humans and Romulans. Lots of non-humans in the Federation, and some humans outside the Federation.

 

[BillJ]

Perhaps they did - at first.

But things seem to have gotten worse by the time Picard went back there. The English words on the "Romulan Social Club" sign were scrubbed, and the "Romulans Only " sign went up.

We simply don’t know enough to make that determination.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Unlikely.

I assumed that a planet with an intelligent species already living there (for whatever reason) would not be an ideal location for Romulan refugees.

I might be wrong, but from what the soon-to-be-headless Senator said, I felt that Vashti was not meant to be a final relocation point for those particular Romulans, but just a temporary home.

So there might be other/Human colonies on Vashti, but maybe there was enough room on the planet for a temporary Romulan colony as well.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

michelle Hurd was in Scott Pilgram? I haven’t seen that movie but it was on one of the streaming services I have. I was thinking about it though.

No. That would be Alison Pill:

Scott Pilgrim is good, but it's quite different from most movies. I think you're either going to love it or hate it, with no in-between.

 

[Tuskin38]

Images of Frakes on set directing
https://twitter.com/startrekcbs/status/1229510833593618434

 

[Alan Roi]

Images of Frakes on set directing
https://twitter.com/startrekcbs/status/1229510833593618434

Looks like was the one who picked out that Panama hat for Jean Luc.

 

[SolarisOne]

So much this. It's like spitting in the wind.

Why is this whole conversation evoking that song Kenny Rogers sung about gambling?

 

[Alan Roi]

Why is this whole conversation evoking that song Kenny Rogers sung about gambling?

Many of us are Gen Xers who were brought up in an era where pop songs doubled instruction manuals. Even Paul Simon offered an extensive how to guide back then on the 50 ways to leave your lover.

 

[Sir Stewart Wallace]

Many of us are Gen Xers who were brought up in an era where pop songs doubled instruction manuals. Even Paul Simon offered an extensive how go guide back then on the 50 ways to leave your lover.

You don't need to be coy, Roi.

Yes, I'm ashamed.

 

[The Old Mixer]

"Please, Jonathan...not in front of the elf."

Yes, I'm ashamed.

It was a golden opportunity!

 

[BillJ]

Scott Pilgrim is good, but it's quite different from most movies. I think you're either going to love it or hate it, with no in-between.

It definitely wasn't my thing.

 

[BillJ]

Unlike the currently published Discovery books, that tell stories independent from the shows storylines, I think that one might get a better feel for Picard by reading "The Last Best Hope".

 

[Tarek71]

I might be wrong, but from what the soon-to-be-headless Senator said, I felt that Vashti was not meant to be a final relocation point for those particular Romulans, but just a temporary home.

So there might be other/Human colonies on Vashti, but maybe there was enough room on the planet for a temporary Romulan colony as well.

Well to have it reflect current issues, which seems to be the thrust of this, they could had some element of "Refugees Welcome" among some people on this or that Federation member planet or colony world, but others who were not happy to welcome them. Also some people who initially were for it, and now regret it. So then end result being that Romulans are either penned up in long term refugee settlements or Ghetto-ized parts of est worlds and colonies.

 

[Tarek71]

Unlikely.

I assumed that a planet with an intelligent species already living there (for whatever reason) would not be an ideal location for Romulan refugees.

That's the exact issue with refugees though. A place already settled is easier than having to build facilities from the ground up. Housing, plumbing, sewage, roads, infrastructure. But the residents often dont like it. "Not in my back yard."

 

[oberth]

i always was under the impressions that vashti is a federation world (albeit a thinly populated one) that has welcomed a certain number (~250,000 as discussed on screen) of refugees. if it were an empty world why not drop millions there (+ a couple of industry scale replicators - they were willing to hand some over to cardassians, weren't they)? the federation population needs to be small enough to accept a romulan defence grid, though.

the romulans only sign doesn't make sense if there are only romulans on the planet. but then if i consider afd numbers (the higher the less foreigners are around) it actually might.

... i didn't read any book - i just watched the show (thrice now)

 

[BillJ]

i always was under the impressions that vashti is a federation world (albeit a thinly populated one) that has welcomed a certain number (~250,000 as discussed on screen) of refugees. if it were an empty world why not drop millions there (+ a couple of industry scale replicators - they were willing to hand some over to cardassians, weren't they)? the federation population needs to be small enough to accept a romulan defence grid, though.

Spoiler: The Last Best Hope

The relocated refugees were given things like industrial replicators. Which was a sore spot for frontier Federation members.

Also, the talk was that any Romulans relocated to Federation space would eventually have the option of becoming Federation citizens. There was to be no Romulan military presence in Federation space. If I remember the episode correctly, the shield around Vashti was supplied by a third party.

 

[The Old Mixer]

The Romulans had a pretty well-constructed set-up there even in the flashback, suggesting that the settlement wasn't newly built.