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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x04 - "Absolute Candor"

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The problem is that the Vulcans, Klingons and the general public already knew what was happening. They knew that the Romulans were being cut loose. No one needed him to tell them this. If they wanted a redemption story, make him responsible for what happened. They easily could have done that. Instead, every thing that goes wrong is every ones elses fault but his. Trying to make a redemptive story around him being responsible for what others did and did not do falls flat. If it was in the power of the Vulcans or Klingons to do this, and they decided not to, that is their choice, not his. He is not to blame for that. Make him responsible. They could have, but did not. Quite the opposite.

But he is, Picard's sin here is not one of Action, but rather of Inaction. He. Gave. Up.

He didn't continue to fight for the Romulans. He abandoned Raffi. He's not redeeming himself for what he did, but rather what he failed to do, by choice.
 
Elnor's sword is inspired by novels?
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Modeled on a Japanese katana.

Always a cool sword. :cool: :adore:
 
But he is, Picard's sin here is not one of Action, but rather of Inaction. He. Gave. Up.

He didn't continue to fight for the Romulans. He abandoned Raffi. He's not redeeming himself for what he did, but rather what he failed to do, by choice.

Quite. Imagine if, after his resignation from Starfleet in 2385, he went and gave the FNN a fiery speech something like what he ended up delivering in 2399. Among the flaws of that speech was its lateness: 2399 was too late to save anyone. In 2385, that speech might have done something.

Beyond that, even outside of Starfleet's ranks there might easily have been things Picard could have done.

He is not a villain, let us be clear. He did achieve great good while he could. His act was one of omission.
 
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Everyone is free to disagree. You don't need my permission to have a different opinion. Though a substantive disagreement would be better than a hand wave.
You're bored by Patrick Stewart. That is just fucking bonkers. Some of the criticism for this show I'd understand, even if I wouldn't agree, but this is just such a bizarre take that there really isn't much to say. But if you feel that way, seriously, just stop watching. It is not for you, and neither probably is any drama aimed for human beings.
 
You're bored by Patrick Stewart. That is just fucking bonkers. Some of the criticism for this show I'd understand, even if I wouldn't agree, but this is just such a bizarre take that there really isn't much to say. But if you feel that way, seriously, just stop watching. It is not for you, and neither probably is any drama aimed for human beings.
Do we have to have the personal sniping?
 
There is no universally accepted definition of the Mary Sue. I use Moral Mary Sue to apply to any character, including the hero. It doesnt have to be a magic person who comes to help the Hero from the outside.

It's the definition as I've understood it for almost 30 years. Do you know when and where was the first time I ever heard it used another way? Two years ago when I came back to TrekBBS because of Discovery.
 
I really don't get the whole "slow paced" thing about this series. Every single friggin episode has included some form of combat. In contrast, there are lots of earlier Trek episodes which were essentially "action-less." Even fantastic episodes.
I would like to think that most of the people who have complained about pacing will come around. Their expectations will adjust. My own fear is that some people will take that initial hesitation about the series, but will seek out some of the more outrageous, hypercritical "reviews," which will feed false impressions about what Star Trek is or what it should be.

That said, I feel that Picard is a great place to push back against this form of "criticism."
 
I’m curious how Seven knew Picard was there. Possible proof that Maddox or Data are sending subconscious memories through Borg implants?

The biggest problem so far with the show is the pacing. The other problem though, the most compelling characters so far are Dahj and Laris. Neither of whom left Earth. Rios and the scientist are not interesting. Rafi is potentially interesting but needs to get invested in the search first. Hopefully Seven and Elnor take the stage more and we end up with an actual compelling ensemble.
 
Didn't the episode say that the Romulans who saw him planetside were broadcasting his whereabouts to everyone? I just presumed that she overheard it that way.

Only if she just happened to be in the area anyway. And her words when transported, “Picard...needs....a ship!”
 
One of the criticisms of Voyager was that it was indulging in these "character eps" when the crew should've (in the opinion of some fans) been fighting for dear life. :shifty:
VOY had character eps? I only remember technobabble-problem-of-the-week-solved-by-technobabble-solution-of-the-week episodes with underdeveloped paper thin characters
 
No, they probably don't. They are remembering TNG through their mind's eye, not what actually happened.

I have no problem with the slow pace in Better Call Saul compared with Breaking Bad. But there hasn’t been enough compelling character development since the pilot to make up for the pace, and the characters who are getting screen time other than Picard aren’t the most compelling ones. Most so far seem like straight tropes.

It’s not about whether there is action, it’s about the relative lack of interesting character development besides Picard feeling bad, somebody being angry at Picard then deciding to help him anyway.
 
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