Well.. Spock was late, but didn't he set off the red matter and create a black hole anyways? So.. Why do that? Can't effect the radiation burst afterwards..
Michael Chabon vs Trekkies
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Excellent soundtrack, too!
The theme always fit the title to me. I always think of it when something is moving slow.
While that is exactly what I have always thought, it is a major contradiction of what Rodenberry was pushing with TNG. In fact this show is looking more like DS9 than TNG. Which is fine with me.
Why naturally, as it has Yvette Mimieux.
Well, Spock said the exploding star threatened to destroy the whole galaxy, or somesuch oddball notion. So maybe the black hole was still necessary in some technobabble fashion to prevent that from happening. Here we are, fourteen years later in the timeline, and the galaxy is intact. So it worked!
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One more real word political post that isn't in TNZ will be trouble for you.......just letting you know.
I did not realize that was political. Just trying to help some understand the man and how it relates to the plot.
I will keep it strictly to sci-fi here as you suggest I do.
I will keep it strictly to sci-fi here as you suggest I do.
My understanding of the rule is that Chabon's politics are on-point to exactly the extent that they are expressed in the show; it's legit to talk about the political vision expressed in a political show. But we can't do approach interpretation the other way around--trying to decode the show by using RW politics of the creators politics is a nonstarter. I suppose that means that the official policy of this board is New Criticism?
My take is that this isn't the forum to criticize anyone's politics. Creators or board members.
Oh, sure. But I was thinking about the space between criticism and silence.
For instance, saying that I'm on the left WRT social issues wouldn't be criticism, but merely a statement of fact. Although I can't imagine how that could ever be relevant to a legit discussion on this board.
For instance, saying that I'm on the left WRT social issues wouldn't be criticism, but merely a statement of fact. Although I can't imagine how that could ever be relevant to a legit discussion on this board.
A talented wordsmith could probably talk about who Michael Chabon is and how it impacts the show without it coming across overtly political, like the earlier post. Not many of us here are that talented.
Honestly, I don't care about the politics, I care about being entertained.
The problem isn't Chabon's or my politics. The problem is that the discussion invariably becomes personal and devolves.
If we could keep just on the show then maybe...but that's a big if.
If we could keep just on the show then maybe...but that's a big if.
Same here. My politics are not about what entertains me. Two separate fields.
The show is commenting on political topics, so it would be absurd if that could not be discussed. I am sure it is very much the intent and hope of the creators that such aspects evoke discussion! But yeah, better limit the commentary on what's actually on screen and not speculate based on the assumed political stances of the creators.
I agree, it would be absurd if we can’t discuss politics as the show is commenting on our current political atmosphere
Well, I'm at a loss for why people are happy about these answers. Here are my thoughts:
1.) Sunglasses
This is probably the best of the QA. It's a subtle answer challenging the viewer to think harder about something he clearly is not wanting to reveal plainly. It's sort of a non-answer, but the best kind.
2.) Raffi Vaping
Uhhh.. What? He spins a paragraph of made up crap that can be immediately translated to, "Yes she is vaping, but we don't want to call it that.". If you wanted it to be different, you would have given her a "snake leaf" device that doesn't look exactly like a vape pen you can buy on every corner store in the U.S.A... Lazy on multiple levels.
3.) Why isn't the future more futuristic?
Another copout of an answer.. How myopic, to assume everything from the year in 2020 is "so great" that it has become timeless and no longer be improved upon.. There is no historical basis for this assertion, yes there are common devices between 1500 and 2000, but you know what? They look VERY different, while performing the same basic function. Shoes, utensils, knives, houses, etc... Yes they are "timeless", and yes they also change a crap ton in appearance each century. Stop insulting our intelligence.
4.) Rios smoking Cigars
"He's Pablo Escobar's great, great, great, great, great, great great, great, great, great, grandson" Uh, okay.. Isn't it a bit weird to assign cigar smoking to Latin Americans when it's practiced fairly commonly across the entire planet? How many people have you met in real life that obsessed with the culture of their people circa 500 years earlier, to the point where they are practicing their archaic rituals? There were better ways to deal with this.. How about, "Uh we cured cancer like 400 years ago, this crap is harmless in the future"? Doesn't that sound a tad more.. Believable?
5.) Sex, Drugs and Rock'N'Roll! This isn't star trek, is it?
I find this answer to be the most egregious. So first it's, "no society is perfect, we're all crappy humans, blah blah blah". Okay? So, everything Gene said.. Everything he created.. TOS, TAS, TNG.. 10 movies.. It's all null and void because Michael Chabon says so? The hubris of this statement.. The entire basic concept of star trek was that we made it as a species.. We figured it out, we became the potential of humanity; not the struggle. It's all a lie, because.. Apparently it was only like that because of the FCC? I'm not sure how you can be an original fan of Star Trek and not be offended by this statement.
6.) Why do the romulans want Data, if they hate androids?
Okay, this was a dumb question and got a dumb answer.. Not much to say, other than.. How did anyone not get the context that romulan scientists wanted to get their hands on Data for sinister purposes, rather than altruistic ones..? *Double Facepalm*
7.) Who's genius idea was it to have Raffi call Picard, "JL"?
"He's different".. "He welcomed the refugees".. "He's great grampa picard now, soft and fuzzy". *Sigh*, no.. That makes no sense.. If he was going to soften up, it would have happened at the end of TNG or in the TNG movies.. Not as a 100 year old retiree. This was just a bad writing decision, plain and simple. You could have Riker say it, Geordi say it, Worf say it.. Doesn't matter, it's cringe and it doesn't work; but when you decide to have a new character say it.. Nope, not buying it. 4th wall is now broken.
With the exception of 1, 4, and 6, I think these were some pretty atrocious and insulting answers. I have less faith now for the rest of the show, and in Michael Chabon as a custodian of the TNG legacy.
1.) Sunglasses
This is probably the best of the QA. It's a subtle answer challenging the viewer to think harder about something he clearly is not wanting to reveal plainly. It's sort of a non-answer, but the best kind.
2.) Raffi Vaping
Uhhh.. What? He spins a paragraph of made up crap that can be immediately translated to, "Yes she is vaping, but we don't want to call it that.". If you wanted it to be different, you would have given her a "snake leaf" device that doesn't look exactly like a vape pen you can buy on every corner store in the U.S.A... Lazy on multiple levels.
3.) Why isn't the future more futuristic?
Another copout of an answer.. How myopic, to assume everything from the year in 2020 is "so great" that it has become timeless and no longer be improved upon.. There is no historical basis for this assertion, yes there are common devices between 1500 and 2000, but you know what? They look VERY different, while performing the same basic function. Shoes, utensils, knives, houses, etc... Yes they are "timeless", and yes they also change a crap ton in appearance each century. Stop insulting our intelligence.
4.) Rios smoking Cigars
"He's Pablo Escobar's great, great, great, great, great, great great, great, great, great, grandson" Uh, okay.. Isn't it a bit weird to assign cigar smoking to Latin Americans when it's practiced fairly commonly across the entire planet? How many people have you met in real life that obsessed with the culture of their people circa 500 years earlier, to the point where they are practicing their archaic rituals? There were better ways to deal with this.. How about, "Uh we cured cancer like 400 years ago, this crap is harmless in the future"? Doesn't that sound a tad more.. Believable?
5.) Sex, Drugs and Rock'N'Roll! This isn't star trek, is it?
I find this answer to be the most egregious. So first it's, "no society is perfect, we're all crappy humans, blah blah blah". Okay? So, everything Gene said.. Everything he created.. TOS, TAS, TNG.. 10 movies.. It's all null and void because Michael Chabon says so? The hubris of this statement.. The entire basic concept of star trek was that we made it as a species.. We figured it out, we became the potential of humanity; not the struggle. It's all a lie, because.. Apparently it was only like that because of the FCC? I'm not sure how you can be an original fan of Star Trek and not be offended by this statement.
6.) Why do the romulans want Data, if they hate androids?
Okay, this was a dumb question and got a dumb answer.. Not much to say, other than.. How did anyone not get the context that romulan scientists wanted to get their hands on Data for sinister purposes, rather than altruistic ones..? *Double Facepalm*
7.) Who's genius idea was it to have Raffi call Picard, "JL"?
"He's different".. "He welcomed the refugees".. "He's great grampa picard now, soft and fuzzy". *Sigh*, no.. That makes no sense.. If he was going to soften up, it would have happened at the end of TNG or in the TNG movies.. Not as a 100 year old retiree. This was just a bad writing decision, plain and simple. You could have Riker say it, Geordi say it, Worf say it.. Doesn't matter, it's cringe and it doesn't work; but when you decide to have a new character say it.. Nope, not buying it. 4th wall is now broken.
With the exception of 1, 4, and 6, I think these were some pretty atrocious and insulting answers. I have less faith now for the rest of the show, and in Michael Chabon as a custodian of the TNG legacy.
All this shit happened in TNG, DS9 VOY and ENT as well.
Humans were not perfect in the previous series.
Knives and forks in the other TNG era shows don't look that much different than they do now. Same with cups and other stuff.
Have you actually watched Star Trek? I mean, seriously.
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