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Michael Chabon vs Trekkies

the remaining Romulans would've frozen to death in a few hours time.
They would freeze to death, yes, but It would take considerably longer than "a few hours."

Remember, heat (read: infrared light) trapping greenhouse gasses are a thing (even in a stable climate). Oceans also trap heat (which is why coastal climates are warmer than interior continental climates.) Water vapor also traps heat (water in general does). This takes awhile to dissipate in the absence of added infrared light from a star.
 
They would freeze to death, yes, but It would take considerably longer than "a few hours."

Remember, heat (read: infrared light) trapping greenhouse gasses are a thing (even in a stable climate). Oceans also trap heat (which is why coastal climates are warmer than interior continental climates.) Water vapor also traps heat (water in general does). This takes awhile to dissipate in the absence of added infrared light from a star.

Nerd. :p
 
They would freeze to death, yes, but It would take considerably longer than "a few hours."

Remember, heat (read: infrared light) trapping greenhouse gasses are a thing (even in a stable climate). Oceans also trap heat (which is why coastal climates are warmer than interior continental climates.) Water vapor also traps heat (water in general does). This takes awhile to dissipate in the absence of added infrared light from a star.
At the end of the day, it adds a massive (to put it mildly) fine print on the intent of Spock's actions ("promised the Romulans I would save their planet"). Spock meant that he would save Romulus period, and Nimoy believed as much when giving the performance.

As this has massive effects on Spock's character, I think we should take Spock's words at face value that his plan was to save Romulus, no fine print (buy a few months before freezing etc.) and honor Nimoy's penultimate performance as Spock as much as possible.

If that means adding in a Hobus explanation or technobabble that the black hole would somehow restore the sun (if it was Romulus's), so be it.

And yes, I know it's just a job for actors but Peter Graves for example wasn't exactly pleased with what the 1996 Mission Impossible film did to Jim Phelps to put it mildly.
 
As this has massive effects on Spock's character, I think we should take Spock's words at face value that his plan was to save Romulus, no fine print (buy a few months before freezing etc.) and honor Nimoy's penultimate performance as Spock as much as possible.

This train has already left the station long ago, as shows after the original ignored Spock whenever something from his character was inconvenient.
 
At the end of the day, it adds a massive (to put it mildly) fine print on the intent of Spock's actions ("promised the Romulans I would save their planet"). Spock meant that he would save Romulus period, and Nimoy believed as much when giving the performance.

As this has massive effects on Spock's character, I think we should take Spock's words at face value that his plan was to save Romulus, no fine print (buy a few months before freezing etc.) and honor Nimoy's penultimate performance as Spock as much as possible.

If that means adding in a Hobus explanation or technobabble that the black hole would somehow restore the sun (if it was Romulus's), so be it.
But it absolutely does not. And all it takes is to assume that the initial plan was to stabilise the star. None of this Hobus super magic FTL Inoconian supernova nonsense is required at all.
 
At the end of the day, it adds a massive (to put it mildly) fine print on the intent of Spock's actions ("promised the Romulans I would save their planet"). Spock meant that he would save Romulus period, and Nimoy believed as much when giving the performance.

As this has massive effects on Spock's character, I think we should take Spock's words at face value that his plan was to save Romulus, no fine print (buy a few months before freezing etc.) and honor Nimoy's penultimate performance as Spock as much as possible.

If that means adding in a Hobus explanation or technobabble that the black hole would somehow restore the sun (if it was Romulus's), so be it.

And yes, I know it's just a job for actors but Peter Graves for example wasn't exactly pleased with what the 1996 Mission Impossible film did to Jim Phelps to put it mildly.
Neither was I :scream:
Haven't seen a IM movie since.
(I grew up watching that show)
 
With the rewrite, Spock's original plan makes no real sense. If it was the Romulan star going nova, then there was no way to save Romulus in any form. After the star had been collapsed into a black hole, the remaining Romulans would've frozen to death in a few hours time.

It would not have been mere hours, but more like weeks before temperature dropped terribly low. Oceans might freeze in days.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...n-an-earth-like-planet-orbiting-a-black-hole/

Even so, if we with our pre-warp technology can imagine environments, underground and on ocean floors, where we might persist, what options would the Romulans have?

Also note that the Romulans will be desperate. Even catastrophic outcomes might look good if the alternative is the physical destruction of Romulus with everyone left on it.

Picard was actually pretty lenient on that journalist before he had the meltdown. Thus he may not have bothered to correct her geography errors. He could have pointed out that he won't talk about his departure from Starfleet but he actually decided to answer her question.

"Romulan star" could have any number of meanings, sure; there is flexibility there, maybe.

That said, if anyone was talking about "the Vulcan star", or still better "the Earth Star", few would have any illusions as to the celestial body that was being talked about. Saying that "Romulan star" does not refer to the star of Romulus verges on special pleasing at this point, especially with The Last Best Hope specifying that it was the Romulan star. The writing staff of Picard has been quite good about trying to cover everything: How likely is it that they would not know, and would not make clear to that novel's author, which star they thought it was that blew up? The word "Hobus", to the best of my knowledge, is not mentioned there.
 
But it absolutely does not. And all it takes is to assume that the initial plan was to stabilise the star. None of this Hobus super magic FTL Inoconian supernova nonsense is required at all.

But then that means Spock didn't know how the Red Matter would work...
 
Before this thread existed, I was already considering creating a pinned "All your Romulan supernova crap goes here" thread...I'm feeling the temptation again.
Heh ...
Hint, Hint, ... Nudge, Nudge... Wink, Wink ... Say No More ....

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But then that means Spock didn't know how the Red Matter would work...
No, it means that it was too late for stabilisation to work, so he dumped in more of it to create the black hole instead, as for the reasons exhaustively discussed that is still preferable to the supernova.
 
No, it means that it was too late for stabilisation to work, so he dumped in more of it to create the black hole instead, as for the reasons exhaustively discussed that is still preferable to the supernova.

I gotta be real honest. I didn't even think about the difference in the two presentations of the supernova, until I read about it here. From a storytelling perspective, it is a difference that makes no difference.
 
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