Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x03 - "The End is the Beginning"

[Maurice]

Dunno if the post quoted below is some cut and paste error with using a translation program/site...

[QUOTE = "BillJ, post: 13253397, member: 222"] Para el público en general al que sirven la Flota Estelar y el gobierno de la Federación, probablemente una IA es una IA. No importa en qué tipo de envoltorio se encuentre. [/ QUOTE]
¡o no! ¡En el primer episodio vimos un holograma en una instalación de flota!

tal vez la gente piensa que un holograma que sale mal es menos peligroso que un android

...but if it is here's BillJ's post and the English version of @rhllot's reply:

To the general public that Starfleet and the Federation government serve, likely an AI is an AI. It doesn't matter what kind of wrapper it comes in.

or not! In the first episode we saw a hologram in a fleet installation!

maybe people think that a hologram that goes wrong is less dangerous than an android

 

[cooleddie74]

There's the right way, the wrong way, and the JANEWAY.

And then there's the Archer way. Morally right but still getting the snot kicked out of you and ending the night with a bruised eye socket and Porthos peeing on the floor.

 

[Cyrus]

Watched it a second time and it was still very good.

I really like Raffi and Rios and the actors playing them.

The bumpy forehead Romulans being northerners is interesting. I remember they asked one the Berman Trek production people (may have been Okuda) why the Trill in DS9 looked different than the TNG ones and he said the bumpy forehead Trill were the Northern Trill. Seems like they decided to use that explanation for Romulans. Works for me. Could have used it for Klingons too but now it's too late.

 

[11Alive]

I haven’t perused the whole thread, but has anyone else noticed the increasing issue with contemporary sayings and lingo creeping into the dialogue? Every use of “hell yeah,” “dude,” “bogus,” and “pro tip” break the immersion in the story and universe for me a little bit.

Absolutely. I think this is their attempt to make Trek more "grounded" in today's world, with sex, swearing and political intrigue. But I always wanted Trek to be more about tomorrow than today. Regardless, I liked this better than the second episode.

 

[KennyB]

The entire chateau IS a ship. That's why it looks different than it did in "Family."

That and didn't it burn to the ground? When they rebuilt they added the space travel options.

 

[Skipper]

Elves? Don't be silly. If there's one thing TOS told us over and over, it's that Vulcans look like The Devil.

Joking aside, didn't Nimoy say that in some of the movies they made the ears a little too much "elvish"?

 

[NCC-73515]

She's not a drug addict until the show tells us she's a drug addict. Actor interviews don't count.

Some may think actors don't have much information about their characters from scripts they've memorized cause they played these characters. These people might however also have an oddly limited and unrealistic perspective.

This is why I love this place. We've easily been dissecting a single scene for ten pages or so. Sometimes we get snippy, but it is interesting to see the differing perspectives, and fun to debate why we think the way we do.

630 new posts in this thread within just a day, though... I should've joined a less popular forum XD

there's also the question of presentability - honestly, who wants to see jonathan frakes every week?

meee!!

 

[Hythlodeus]

Absolutely. I think this is their attempt to make Trek more "grounded" in today's world, with sex, swearing and political intrigue. But I always wanted Trek to be more about tomorrow than today. Regardless, I liked this better than the second episode.

I hope there is still sex tomorrow...

 

[F. King Daniel]

Not a fan of implied Romulan incest.

1. It's gross.
2. It's a cheap way of making you dislike characters. Narek and Rizzo can be horrible for reasons other than wanting to/fucking.
3. They probably thought it'd get the Game of Thrones crowd watching.

 

[Skipper]

I hope there is still sex tomorrow...

Yes, but it will be very polite and civilized.

 

[Tosk]

Not a fan of implied Romulan incest.

Was it implied though, or merely inferred?

 

[Cyrus]

The less we see of Oh and Rizzo the better. The way these 2 characters are written and acted are too much mustache twirling, always seem to be threatening whoever they are talking too.

Zhaban and Laris on the other hand are always nice to see.

 

[Skipper]

The less we see of Oh and Rizzo the better. The way these 2 characters are written and acted are too much mustache twirling, always seem to be threatening whoever they are talking too.

So, like almost every other Romulian who appeared in TNG?

 

[rahullak]

Which are perhaps the emotions they've wished to evoke.

 

[Gonzo]

Problem being, we don't know how hard it hit him personally. Essentially, the organization that he committed his life to, kicked him in the proverbial nads and showed him the door. I can imagine such treatment sending a lot of folks to a deep dark place.

Yeah they didnt stab him in the back, they stabbed him in the front.

He finally realised that Starfleet is not what he thought it was.

Doing the right thing is easy when everything is going your way, Picard realised there was something wrong with the organisation he spent his life serving.

It was his crutch and all of a sudden it was taken away, he literally had nothing else to fall back on.

 

[JoeZhang]

There is, actually, and I only know this because I just re-watched the scene a minute ago to try to sort through it all.

She says she's been suffering from "Snakeweek paranoia" but that "some things never change", subtly, but clearly referring to a snake weed habit that goes back quite a while.

No that is a reference to her paranoia.

Am I the only person watching this on a TV not a phone on the bus? Half the conversation on this forum revolve around lines that were never said or misunderstanding really straightforward easy to follow genre cliches.

 

[Gonzo]

Not a fan of implied Romulan incest.

1. It's gross.
2. It's a cheap way of making you dislike characters. Narek and Rizzo can be horrible for reasons other than wanting to/fucking.
3. They probably thought it'd get the Game of Thrones crowd watching.

It could just boil down to simple jealousy, he is getting some and she most definitely is not, if she was Dahj probably would'nt have died.

Some siblings can be very possessive of one another.

 

[Crewman6]

No that is a reference to her paranoia.

Am I the only person watching this on a TV not a phone on the bus? Half the conversation on this forum revolve around lines that were never said or misunderstanding really straightforward easy to follow genre cliches.

And yet your comment here is totally wrong, as she specifically says "snakeweed-induced paranoia." Meaning she was on drugs even way back when. Seemed pretty "straightforward" to me.

So now who's watching on a bus?

 

[Tosk]

She said that her last fourteen years has been a long slide into humiliation, rage, and snakeleaf-induced paranoia.

So regardless of how you read the latter, it doesn't mean she was on it when she was an officer.

 

[oberth]

Am I the only person watching this on a TV not a phone on the bus?

does a 77" lg count as tv? tried an episode of disco on a pad - never again