How many times did the holograms destroy a planet?
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x03 - "The End is the Beginning"
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What can I say, I'm a masochist at heart.You know, once I started using the Ignore function here heavily, the forums are a much better place for me, except a few times it's hard to understand what's going on
The thing is, I don't see anything here that makes the scene better or more satisfying. It just seems like an info dump. I got the context based on what they gave us and how the scenes were played. I thought that was the point?
Very true. I don't think how Musiker's backstory and introduction was handled was particularly great, but it is really a minor blemish. Besides, as we know that she is a series regular, they can and probably will go in greater detail later.
I'm pretty sure in voyager a hologram destroyed an entire starship crew. He could have then used that starship to destroy a planet until the doctor stopped him. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Revulsion_(episode)
That is her interpretation of events. A drug addict who is mad at someone from her past.
To the general public that Starfleet and the Federation government serve, likely an AI is an AI. It doesn't matter what kind of wrapper it comes in.
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She is a bit of a mess but no doubt she will recover in time.
I think the worst part for her is that Picard didnt keep in touch and check on her, she doesnt consider that he was in a bad state as well.
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Yeah so that would potentially include EMH's.
Did they do something to the Doctor, is that why Seven is mad.
Other than Picard being an Admiral, none of what you said is canon
Is it though?
“From the moment we announced this series we’ve seen a groundswell of support from our fan base who are thrilled to have Jean-Luc Picard back on their screens,” said Veronica Hart, EVP Global Franchise Management. “Having this brand new original backstory play out through both comic book and novel formats will set the stage for the new series in an exciting way while also showcasing the work of our talented partners at Simon & Schuster and IDW.” That's from an official CBS rep.
https://trekmovie.com/2019/08/01/star-trek-picard-to-be-preceded-by-book-and-comic-prequels/
So yeah, it can be considered canon.
Doesn't make it canon at the slightest.
Think of it as fan-fiction, except written by the same people as that write for the show.
Nope. Just look at last "canon" comic book:
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_Countdown
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A fair point was just brought up in another thread.
Wearing sunglasses outdoors is also a symptom shown by MU counterparts.
Wearing sunglasses outdoors is also a symptom shown by MU counterparts.
You simply do not understand what canon means.
"Desperate Hours" (the novel) was also supposed to be canon, but was totally contradicted by Discovery season two. "Mosaic", the Janeway origin novel by series co-creator Jeri Taylor was supposed to be canon. That lasted as long as she worked on the show, then was pretty much ditched.
It isn't canon unless it is on screen. Even then, it can still be completely contradicted. So enjoy the story for what its worth.
There are things contradicted from season to season in Star Trek, on screen, that just means canon has changed. So yeah, we could consider Countdown canon for now, until something else comes along and changes it.
You don't want to fine, go ahead, but considering that CBS has stated that it's part of the Picard story, I'll consider it canon.... for now.
You don't want to fine, go ahead, but considering that CBS has stated that it's part of the Picard story, I'll consider it canon.... for now.
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We shall see, if the ship is referenced in Picard then its canon and that will create some unhappy campers on the forum, then again there are always unhappy campers on the forum so never mind.
Its a big jump though, to have that class of ship in 2385 and its not even the USS Odyssey itself which would be even older, never mind 2399.
Just a passionate group of folks here. Pissing off each other for decades now.
Yep. Which is why I always laugh when people demand that TPTB "listen to the fans" or "give the fans what they want," as though we all speak with one voice and want the same things.
We never agree on anything--as this board proves everyday!
We also tend to send mixed messages, as in:
"Too many infodumps! Too much exposition!"
But also: "Why haven't they mentioned Lal? Or Beverly? Or Picard's sister-in-law? Or The Dominion War? Or Voyager? Or given us a fuller explanation of this or that plot point?"
We can't insist on everything being spelled out for us right away and complain about too much exposition.
All this uproar over how/why Raffi, a character we never heard of before, left Starfleet and we haven't even gotten to how/why Riker, Troi, and Seven of Nine left Starfleet yet. I'm just trying to imagine how vicious those debates are going to be.
Star Wars handles this by declaring books, games, comics and other explanatory works canon (which can be revoked at will as seen in the great EU purge of 2014, but still). Star Trek doesn't have this option really due to its stated noncanon status of all tie ins.Yep. Which is why I always laugh when people demand that TPTB "listen to the fans" or "give the fans what they want," as though we always speak with one voice and want the same things.
We never agree on anything--as this board proves everyday!
We also tend to send mixed messages, as in:
"Too many infodumps! Too much exposition!"
But also: "Why haven't they mentioned Lal? Or Beverly? Or Picard's sister-in-law? Or The Dominion War? Or Voyager? Or given us a fuller explanation of this or that plot point?"
We can't insist on everything being spelled out for us right away and complain about too much exposition.
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That is also a fair approach as we know Raffi is canon and she is in it plus the situation and timescales match.
Picard may not reference it at all though or keep it quiet for a big reveal.
A definite improvement over last week’s episode. Far from perfect but the episode was good, I like the characters for the most part and it’s interesting.
I enjoyed the shootout at Picard’s chateau and am glad he’s finally heading out into space.
Nice to see the return of Hugh.
Enjoyed the Rios character and love he gave the Emergency Medical Hologram his own image. Also like Agnes…she’s a character that could get on your nerves but thankfully hasn’t. I like Laris and Zhaban too and it’s a shame they aren’t going with Picard up into space.
Raffi though…STOP CALLING PICARD “JL”! No one ever called him that ever (especially someone who was serving under him as we saw in the flashback), it’s forced and calling him JL over and over again just makes it worse. Raffi’s character is the one that doesn’t work for me so far. From her annoying nickname for Picard to her clichéd addiction to her forced conflict with Picard (seriously, I’m puzzled as to why she’s upset with him other than the show dictates that she has to be upset with him), her character is grating almost every time she’s onscreen.
I agree the flashback didn't work. Stewart just seemed off in that scene and Picard already comes off as a tired, defeated old man. Raffi is too new to feel any kind of rapport (especially a more hostile one) with Picard. A character like Ro Laren would have worked much better here although considering how they left off, it might take some explaining.
The problem with the Raffi character, along with the fact that the show’s plot is juggling too much and some of it doesn’t make sense, is indicative of what the true problem with this show is. This show is DESPERATELY trying to be edgy, topical TV. At times it seems like it’s just copying Ron Moore’s playbook for Battlestar Galactica. Starfleet and the Federation have become evil and intolerant, check. A character is a drug addict, check. Another character has PTSD, check. Throw in a mystery box in Dahj (which could be interesting but past history suggests it won’t be) and the show wants to loudly declare that they are “daring” television. Just concentrate on being good television and the rest can fall into place.
Just to add, as much as I like Patrick Stewart, he doesn't feel like the Jean-Luc Picard we know from TNG. I get that's the point but it feels more like Stewart is PLAYING Jean-Luc Picard (and not doing it well) instead of BEING Picard.
I enjoyed the shootout at Picard’s chateau and am glad he’s finally heading out into space.
Nice to see the return of Hugh.
Enjoyed the Rios character and love he gave the Emergency Medical Hologram his own image. Also like Agnes…she’s a character that could get on your nerves but thankfully hasn’t. I like Laris and Zhaban too and it’s a shame they aren’t going with Picard up into space.
Raffi though…STOP CALLING PICARD “JL”! No one ever called him that ever (especially someone who was serving under him as we saw in the flashback), it’s forced and calling him JL over and over again just makes it worse. Raffi’s character is the one that doesn’t work for me so far. From her annoying nickname for Picard to her clichéd addiction to her forced conflict with Picard (seriously, I’m puzzled as to why she’s upset with him other than the show dictates that she has to be upset with him), her character is grating almost every time she’s onscreen.
I agree the flashback didn't work. Stewart just seemed off in that scene and Picard already comes off as a tired, defeated old man. Raffi is too new to feel any kind of rapport (especially a more hostile one) with Picard. A character like Ro Laren would have worked much better here although considering how they left off, it might take some explaining.
The problem with the Raffi character, along with the fact that the show’s plot is juggling too much and some of it doesn’t make sense, is indicative of what the true problem with this show is. This show is DESPERATELY trying to be edgy, topical TV. At times it seems like it’s just copying Ron Moore’s playbook for Battlestar Galactica. Starfleet and the Federation have become evil and intolerant, check. A character is a drug addict, check. Another character has PTSD, check. Throw in a mystery box in Dahj (which could be interesting but past history suggests it won’t be) and the show wants to loudly declare that they are “daring” television. Just concentrate on being good television and the rest can fall into place.
Just to add, as much as I like Patrick Stewart, he doesn't feel like the Jean-Luc Picard we know from TNG. I get that's the point but it feels more like Stewart is PLAYING Jean-Luc Picard (and not doing it well) instead of BEING Picard.
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