Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x03 - "The End is the Beginning"

[DaveyNY]

Of course it is at stake. Are you kidding? He didnt "let Dahj die". He is an old man with none of his Prof X superpowers. How could he have saved her? No penalty for failure? They came to his house to kill him. He watched tape of the murderers of Dahj wiping clean the evidence. He knows the Federation is on the line. Penetrated by the Tal Shiar/Zhat Vash. If anything is clear, it is that he did NOT decide to avoid asking his TNG colleagues because he did not think this was a serious issue. He said he would not ask because he knows they would do it. Which makes no sense at all.

Picard did not at any time, see a "tape" of whoever cleaned up the explosion on the roof.

That was Commodore Oh after talking with Admiral Clancy and then she discussed it with Lt. Rizzo and then WE AS THE VIEWERS found out who was responsible.

Laris only told Jean-Luc when he woke up in the couch that the Police said there was nothing on the camera feeds.

Correct Facts do matter if one intends to defend ones rants..

 

[oberth]

Well what reasons do you want? If you were writing Picard what reason would you give for Picard not going to his old friends?

• if they put any of them into a 'pike-chair' everybody and his dog would demand at least a miniseries how this has happened
• riker and troy having 11 kids
• the boy started heavy boozing
• dr crusher ran away with a ferengi
• quark is that ferengi
• miles o'brien killed in a freak traffic accident
• laforge having rejection issues with a new set of 'eyes' (but then, that's the reason he survived the attack on mars) and it's getting worse every day

there are a million of possibilities but it'd take at least two years (show-wise) to explain them all

... talking of a bore fest

 

[Tarek71]

Well what reasons do you want? If you were writing Picard what reason would you give for Picard not going to his old friends?

There are no good reasons. Ok for Raffi to risk her life, but not Geordi? Is that who Picard is? He doesn't care if people die as long as he is not too close to them?

 

[Tarek71]

Picard did not at any time, see a "tape" of whoever cleaned up the explosion on the roof.

That was Commodore Oh after talking with Admiral Clancy and then she discussed it with Lt. Rizzo and then WE AS THE VIEWERS found out who was responsible.

Laris only told Jean-Luc when he woke up in the couch that the Police said there was nothing on the camera feeds.

Correct Facts do matter if one intends to defend ones rants..

Yes he did. You should rewatch it. He sits there with Laris and they agree that someone not only wiped the murdered daughter of Data, but also wiped the kill squad from the video. Your "rants" cannot be defended. She is not denying the claim ultimately. On the contrary, she eventually launches into her story about the Zhat Vash. There is no doubt that a serious threat exists.

 

[DaveyNY]

Yes he did. You should rewatch it. He sits there with Laris and they agree that someone not only wiped the murdered daughter of Data, but also wiped the kill squad from the video. Your "rants" cannot be defended.

Lariss' device only showed what occurred before the actual attack in the apartment.
They see Dahj sitting on the couch with her BF.
She and Picard ASSUMED everything else.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

There are no good reasons. Ok for Raffi to risk her life, but not Geordi? Is that who Picard is? He doesn't care if people die as long as he is not too close to them?

So would you rather he put Geordi's life at risk? Like seriously, what do you want here? What would satisfy you?

Of course Picard cares, but he also can't do this mission alone. He asked Starfleet for help and they said no. He's got no recourse. Picard doesn't ask Raffi to come along, she does that herself as does Jurati. Rios is getting paid to fly Picard around. They are all also disconnected from Starfleet, they have no careers to jeopardise, no families to leave behind.

There are plenty of good reasons you're just choosing not to accept those reasons.

 

[Guy Gardener]

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Geordie is busy and has too much to lose, since Picard is throwing his life and legacy away on a crack pot quest.

 

[oberth]

So would you rather he put Geordi's life at risk? Like seriously, what do you want here? What would satisfy you?

Of course Picard cares, but he also can't do this mission alone. He asked Starfleet for help and they said no. He's got no recourse. Picard doesn't ask Raffi to come along, she does that herself as does Jurati. Rios is getting paid to fly Picard around. They are all also disconnected from Starfleet, they have no careers to jeopardise, no families to leave behind.

There are plenty of good reasons you're just choosing not to accept those reasons.

rios is definately disposable (as of now) - when picard II starts in 2031 he will be too valuable to be asked, too

 

[KennyB]

There are no good reasons. Ok for Raffi to risk her life, but not Geordi? Is that who Picard is? He doesn't care if people die as long as he is not too close to them?

There have been plenty of good reasons presented to you. You just refuse to accept or even consider them.

So would you rather he put Geordi's life at risk? Like seriously, what do you want here? What would satisfy you?
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Nothing it seems.

 

[gvn2fly]

In the comics, he is shown as having saved them from Tal Shiar reprisals.

Beyond that, even though the refugee relocation project ended after the attack on Mars, he was involved for four years in relocating very large numbers of Romulans to safe refuge. I find it perfectly possible that he, by pushing for Starfleet assistance early on, might be responsible for saving millions--even tens of millions of Romulans, maybe even more--from death. He might consider saving only 200 million Romulans a failure, maybe, but would anyone else?

As a 3-episode pilot, which I hope will never be done again, I would give it an average rating of 5.5/10. Not terrible. Not great. If this had been the first time I had met Picard, and had no investment in Trek or his character, I would already have moved on to a new show to binge. Not even close to comparable to the last 20 years of Golden Age Tv. Compared to Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Game Of Thrones, etc, it is not even close to that. KurtzmanTrek continues to flounder creatively and artistically.

Thrones fell apart writing wise in the last couple of years so it isn't the best example. And Breaking Bad, my second favorite TV show ever, took a few episodes to get going. Not that I think this is going to be as good as Breaking bad, but I don't expect it to either.

My current favorite scifi show on the air is The Expanse - check it out if you haven't. That also took a few episodes to get going.

 

[The Habs Fan]

As a 3-episode pilot, which I hope will never be done again, I would give it an average rating of 5.5/10. Not terrible. Not great. If this had been the first time I had met Picard, and had no investment in Trek or his character, I would already have moved on to a new show to binge. Not even close to comparable to the last 20 years of Golden Age Tv. Compared to Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Game Of Thrones, etc, it is not even close to that. KurtzmanTrek continues to flounder creatively and artistically.

Well, to be fair you should only be comparing Picard to the first 3 episodes of those shows because that's all that has aired so far. I would argue the first 3 episodes of Picard are better than the first 3 episodes of Breaking Bad. But comparing completely different types and genres of shows to each other is pointless anyway.

 

[iamzod]

Which makes no sense at all. He would rather someone risk their lives who cares less about him? What? They still risk everything either way. So he cares less about Raffi? If she dies it is not really that painful to him? Wow, he is an ahole.

Read my post again, he doesn't think that Raffi would be willing to put herself in harms way for him as she hates him, she'd let him kipper it if. She wouldn't go after him like Data did in Nemesis.

 

[Tarek71]

Picard: "I remember this time! I asked Work, Riker, Crusher, Data and Gerodi! We saved live on Earth! Nevermind that, I cannot do this like I did in "All Good Things...". Instead I have to only ask the people who "hate" me! This way if they die, ...I wont care as much?"

Look, if you love these episodes, god bless you! But this is Kurtzman BS from front to back. Picard would NOT ever ask people he cared less about to risk their lives, while not asking people he knows are amazing, competent problem solvers. After all "I know they would help me solve this! That is WHY would I CANNOT ask them!"

Ummm...LOL. No.

 

[KennyB]

But this is Kurtzman BS from front to back.

Finally we have it. You hate all Kurtzman Trek...........even though he did not write this or direct it. Got it.

 

[iamzod]

Picard would NOT ever ask people he cared less about to risk their lives, while not asking people he knows are amazing, competent problem solvers. After all "I know they would help me solve this! That is WHY would I CANNOT ask them!"

Ummm...LOL. No.

Ok, for the 3rd time. He doesn't think she would ever put her life on the line for him. She'd let him die because she hates his guts.

 

[gvn2fly]

Kurtzman did not write any of the first 3 episodes. He only has a story credit for the premiere with others. He has only co-written two episodes of Discovery and that's it.

You blame Kurtzman for that line, but we have no idea who wrote it or whose idea it was. For all we know it was Patrick, who writers have said changed certain lines based on what he thought Picard would really say.

 

[DaveyNY]

Kurtzman did not write any of the first 3 episodes. He only has a story credit for the premiere with others. He has only co-written two episodes of Discovery and that's it.

You blame Kurtzman for that line, but we have no idea who wrote it or whose idea it was. For all we know it was Patrick, who writers have said changed certain lines based on what he thought Picard would really say.

That is the really strange thing about this particular conversation...
Sir Patrick Stewart, the one guy who knows Jean-Luc Picard best, is involved heavily in the script writing process.
One would think that that is the ultimate and best answer to any question about the characters behavior.

Because Mr. Stewart wants it that way.

 

[Tomalak]

Guess Kurtzman really is the new Berman. Getting shit for stuff he's not even done.

Is Chabon the new Brannon Braga? That talentless hack!

 

[DaveyNY]

Guess Kurtzman really is the new Berman. Getting shit for stuff he's not even done.

Is Chabon the new Brannon Braga? That talentless hack!

Not sure about that second one, has Braga written any award winning Books/Scripts?

 

[Nyotarules]

Sitting at my desk, eating lunch, about to watch it. I like the Starfleet uniforms from 14 years ago
At last its canon, financial transactions exit in the UFP and on Earth, the sexy pilot is not free! No more 'we don't get paid, we work to better ourselves' crap! lol