Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x03 - "The End is the Beginning"

[Agony_Boothb]

That makes no sense at all. So he will ask for help because he knows that even though the Federation is at stake, she will be more likely to let the mission fail than to risk herself for him? So THEREFORE, he should ask HER? Whoa! That makes even less sense than the episode does.

Seriously you're picking some unreasonable nits here. Multiple posters, myself included have given a variety of reasons as to why TNG characters aren't being recruited to assist Picard. I have a sneaking suspicion though that if this show was just a roll call of TNG guest stars you would take issue with that as well...

 

[Bad Thoughts]

For someone who has fallen from grace, Raffi is actually doing pretty well. Despite her addiction, she seems healthy. She has some good tech. And she owns an iconic piece of cultural real estate. (I suspect they filmed a few reels of Captain Proton there.)

 

[The Old Mixer]

I just bought a tier 6 Vizier heavy cruiser in STO

But...but...no money!!!

Maybe the Federation economy works exactly like an MMORPG...we'll let you have this basic stuff, that's enough to enjoy the game...but if you want the good stuff, you gotta grind.

 

[Tarek71]

If you are going to quote my posts please don't incorrectly elaborate on them.
No where did I say that you had to "shut up".
And I suggested that if the show isn't to your liking, then perhaps finding something you do like would be a better way to expend your time.

Haha! I didnt say for you to stop talking. I only said that maybe you should go somewhere else and talk about something else. LOL...Same difference. Either way. If you do not like the criticism, get over it.

 

[oberth]

Picard didnt say that. He said they would do anything for him. So he cant ask them! Not that Riker, Worf or Geordi are somehow not able to get him a ship. That was not his reason, and it makes no sense anyway. We will see what he says to Riker or others. But what we have seen is already transparently silly. She's vaping her life away and struggling but she knows who all the great Captains for Hire are? So why didnt she get a job with them if that is true?

worf might get him a warbird. we all know how those smell, don't we?

 

[TheMadCloner]

But...but...no money!!!

Maybe the Federation economy works exactly like an MMORPG...we'll let you have this basic stuff, that's enough to enjoy the game...but if you want the good stuff, you gotta grind.

It’s well known that the good replicator recipes are only available as expensive DLC.

Why do you think Dahl’s replicator menu was so vanilla?

 

[Timo]

As for "the Federation is at stake", well, hardly. Picard just wants to wash off his sin of letting Dahj die. Going after Maddox is politically incorrect, especially if Picard does this in defense of advanced artificial life. It's an embarrassment that he doesn't want to mix his close ones into. But as far as he knows, his mission is a hobby project that carries no penalty for failure. Except the attack at the chateau is beginning to convince him otherwise. But only after he has launched into this thing on a different premise.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Bad Thoughts]

But...but...no money!!!

Maybe the Federation economy works exactly like an MMORPG...we'll let you have this basic stuff, that's enough to enjoy the game...but if you want the good stuff, you gotta grind.

Whenever the subject of economics comes up, we need to hold our noses to some degree. If "post-scarcity" is achievable, it's unlikely we can imagine it, whether we are scholars, writers, or ordinary people. It makes us no different from people 500 years ago who could not imagine a capitalist society.

 

[Tarek71]

How would you have handled it then? If you were writing this show, what would you have done?

He knows he is being hunted by Death Squads who come to his house to kill him. He therefore knows that anyone he asks to help him are therefore risking their lives to do so. He will not ask Geordi and Worf, etc not because it will risk their lives, but because they know they will risk themselves to join him? Ok, but everyone who joins him are risking themselves and he KNOWS that. So he is willing to risk Raffi, but not Geordi? How does that make sense to anyone?

How would I do it? Well, if he really thinks the Federation is at stake, and lives are on the line, and everything hanging in the balance, I would ask everyone I thought could help, to help. Geordi, Riker, Worf, Seven, Janeway...anyone. The Federation in on the line! I would ask anyone willing to help to help. But I can I ask Raffi, but not Worf? That makes no sense at all.

 

[DaveyNY]

Haha! I didnt say for you to stop talking. I only said that maybe you should go somewhere else and talk about something else. LOL...Same difference. Either way. If you do not like the criticism, get over it.

Yeah, right...,
Obviously you really enjoy and relish in being antagonistic toward others ...
Have fun with that.

 

[trash80]

The money thing was a bit jarring and retconny. But seriously how could you explain "owning" a vineyard which Picard did after Generations.

Isn't it his brother's vineyard which he inherited? I assumed it was.

 

[TheMadCloner]

He knows he is being hunted by Death Squads who come to his house to kill him. He therefore knows that anyone he asks to help him are therefore risking their lives to do so. He will not ask Geordi and Worf, etc not because it will risk their lives, but because they know they will risk themselves to join him? Ok, but everyone who joins him are risking themselves and he KNOWS that. So he is willing to risk Raffi, but not Geordi? How does that make sense to anyone?

How would I do it? Well, if he really thinks the Federation is at stake, and lives are on the line, and everything hanging in the balance, I would ask everyone I thought could help, to help. Geordi, Riker, Worf, Seven, Janeway...anyone. The Federation in on the line! I would ask anyone willing to help to help. But I can I ask Raffi, but not Worf? That makes no sense at all.

He doesn’t know that the Federation is on the line when that conversation is taking place. It’s arguable even now whether the Federation is actually on the line. Are some bad things going on? Yes. Are they things that could destroy Earth and the entire Federation? Debatable.

But more to the point of how you would have handled it, you would have shown him asking each of these characters for help? And then what? Have them all say no? Bring them all in and make it TNG 2?

 

[Bad Thoughts]

But I can I ask Raffi, but not Worf? That makes no sense at all.

Perhaps you remember TNG's "The Enemy?" The one where Worf would only give blood if Picard ordered it? The one where Picard would not because it would go against Worf's conscience?

 

[Tarek71]

As for "the Federation is at stake", well, hardly. Picard just wants to wash off his sin of letting Dahj die. Going after Maddox is politically incorrect, especially if Picard does this in defense of advanced artificial life. It's an embarrassment that he doesn't want to mix his close ones into. But as far as he knows, his mission is a hobby project that carries no penalty for failure. Except the attack at the chateau is beginning to convince him otherwise. But only after he has launched into this thing on a different premise.

Timo Saloniemi

Of course it is at stake. Are you kidding? He didnt "let Dahj die". He is an old man with none of his Prof X superpowers. How could he have saved her? No penalty for failure? They came to his house to kill him. He watched tape of the murderers of Dahj wiping clean the evidence. He knows the Federation is on the line. Penetrated by the Tal Shiar/Zhat Vash. If anything is clear, it is that he did NOT decide to avoid asking his TNG colleagues because he did not think this was a serious issue. He said he would not ask because he knows they would do it. Which makes no sense at all.

 

[oberth]

He doesn’t know that the Federation is on the line when that conversation is taking place. It’s arguable even now whether the Federation is actually on the line. Are some bad things going on? Yes. Are they things that could destroy Earth and the entire Federation? Debatable.

But more to the point of how you would have handled it, you would have shown him asking each of these characters for help? And then what? Have them all say no? Bring them all in and make it TNG 2?

may be find an old galaxy class ship and rename her

NCC 1701-D(A)​

 

[TheMadCloner]

@Tarek71

I think maybe what you need to do is look at this from the standpoint that the writers are not writing fan fiction or a novel - they’re writing a TV series with limitations on budget, scope and what they can do that is practical and in line with the premise of the series.

 

[Gonzo]

Picard knows something is going on, perhaps even a serious conspiracy but he has no idea of the scope, not yet anyway.

He is at least aware that there are Romulans infiltrators on earth but he has no idea that one of them could be Starfleets Security Chief, to say that is a critical position to hold is putting it mildly.

 

[Tarek71]

Seriously you're picking some unreasonable nits here. Multiple posters, myself included have given a variety of reasons as to why TNG characters aren't being recruited to assist Picard. I have a sneaking suspicion though that if this show was just a roll call of TNG guest stars you would take issue with that as well...

No GOOD reasons though. And no I would not complain at all. It just makes no logical sense at all.

 

[oberth]

Picard knows something is going on, perhaps even a serious conspiracy but he has no idea of the scope, not yet anyway.

He is at least aware that there are Romulans infiltrators on earth but he has no idea that one of them could be Starfleets Security Chief, to say that is a critical position to hold is putting it mildly.

yeah that's kinda the problem - everybody in here knows a lot more than anybody in the show

 

[Agony_Boothb]

No GOOD reasons though. And no I would not complain at all. It just makes no logical sense at all.

Well what reasons do you want? If you were writing Picard what reason would you give for Picard not going to his old friends?