USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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And Hamill is on record as saying that he disagreed with every aspect of his character in TLJ. So my point stands.
I think in its own right, as another ship or another version of the Enterprise (maybe between the NX-01 and the NCC-1701?), it is a decent design. It just isn't the TOS Enterprise and never will be.
I think it's everything the JJ-prise should have been. I love it.
Except he changed his mind and went on record agreeing with some points, and recognizing what Johnson was trying to do.And Hamill is on record as saying that he disagreed with every aspect of his character in TLJ. So my point stands.
Nope. Just another refit
Please note that what the official history will reflect and what you choose to accept will be radically different.
No way. Nothing is as ugly as the Discovery. I'd take the DSC Enterprise all day long over that ship. Heck, I'd even take the Galaxy class, the Ambassador class and random fan designs over the Discovery.
It will never top the TOS Enterprise. That is literally impossible.
Since, as it has been pointed out on numerous occasions, that this is all make believe, why would I care about what the official record says?
Besides, the official record clearly isn't permanent by any stretch of the imagination. We could have yet another version of the 1701 five or ten years down the road depending on the circumstances, that would be "official".
If it's all make believe and doesn't matter why would you be upset about it anyway?
Who's upset? There is the simple fact that the ship that appears in Discovery isn't the same ship that appeared in TOS/"The Cage". It isn't the ship that appeared on TV screens from 1966-69. It simply never can be.
Despite the fact that the producers of discovery (who control the Star Trek IP) have clearly stated it is the same ship and an earlier point in it's life and that they did change it, in the grand scheme of things, in a fairly minor sense..that means it can never be the same ship?
It is their version of the Enterprise. Just like it is their version of Pike, Spock and Number One. These aren't the people or elements that were on our screens from 1966-69, and no amount of corporate directives change that.
You're right.
Jeffrey Hunter, Leonard Nimoy and Majel Barret have long since passed away. The characters are being played by new actors and actresses, just like how Ewan McGregor now is Obi Wan instead of Alec Guinness
It just isn't the actors. It is the writers and directors as well that made those versions of the characters who they were. They have all since passed on. These are new versions of those characters, and there's nothing wrong with that. But saying they are the same is a disservice to what those people brought to life on the screen in the 1960's. Trying to wash away what came before.
I have no issue with new versions of the characters. New versions is what they are (just like the cast of the Abrams films). And it is a disservice to the new actors, writers and directors to expect them to shoehorn who they are into fifty year old versions of the characters in the name of continuity. Allow them to bring their own uniqueness and life experiences to these roles.
I guess the best analogy I can come with (that is fresh on my mind), comes from the car world. I was watching the morning news (FOX19 here in Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky), and were at the new car show at the local convention center. Catherine Bodak (local meteorologist) shows us all the new 2020 Mustang Shelby 350 GT. Sharp looking car, which I'm sure is quite the performer. But Carroll Shelby has been dead for nearly eight years now. This isn't his car. No matter how much people want to sell it that way. It is a new version, trading on the affection people have for the past. But it is still a new version that has very little to do with the late-60's Mustang Shelby 350 GT.
You weak minded fool! The directors using an old Jedi mind trick!!Except he changed his mind and went on record agreeing with some points, and recognizing what Johnson was trying to do.
Nope. Just another refit
The actor situation is different as the cost of cgi'ng those actors (and gettong rights to their likenesses) is not remotely realistic. Its no problem bringing back the cgi tos enterprise from trek remastered or even rebuilding a tos bridge (there are tons of tos bridges around in fan conventions museums etc)
The actor change is a necessity the ship change is not
I think what he means is that they are new interpretations of the same characters, but because DSC is such a radical departure from TOS in almost every way, he chooses to view them as separate, because it’s hard to reconcile how one fictional show is so different from another fictional show that’s supposedly meant to take place in the same universe (and the same time period) as each other, despite what the producers say. It’s like saying that when Christopher Nolan was producing his Christian Bale Batman films, that he made a statement that they are in continuity with the ‘60’s Batman TV show just to get more people to see his movies, when they very clearly aren’t. Nolan could say whatever he wants, but I don’t have to agree with him. And CBS can say whatever they want either and I still don’t have to agree with them. Because this is a fictional show.
To be fair, taking DSC as it’s own thing, I like the show. But taking it as a prequel to TOS, the show utterly fails IMHO.
Getting back on topic, here’s the issue I have with the DSC Enterprise. While they completely updated the interior to DSC ‘specs’ while making minimal callbacks to the TOS version (the colors, the bridge chairs), when they redid the exterior, they made it dull and lifeless compared to the much better and far more advanced interiors. To me the outside doesn’t really match the inside. It’s like trying to put the interior of a 2020 Ford Mustang into the chassis of a 1964 Mustang. A purely aesthetic choice, I know, but there you go. Instead of updating the outward appearance of the ship to something more unique and interesting like they did with the bridge interior, they just kind of crossed the original TOS design with the NX-01 and and ugly baby was the result. It’s boring to me.
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For me, and I speak for no one else, I'd rather have bearded, hipster Spock complete with the mop top that Peck sported versus rehashing what Nimoy did in the 60's. Novels, comics, fan films have already been up and down that road so many times that it is simply no longer interesting. Find a new angle for Spock to explore, Peck is the right actor to make that leap.
So as a minor side point..we only saw Pike in two TOS episodes, and of them he was only really a character in one of them (The Cage), same with Number One, and Spock was very different in The Cage than he was in WNMHGB and the rest of the TOS..
Should we disregard The Cage's Spock entirely?
Should we disregard The Cage's Spock entirely?
TOS did.
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