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Commodore Oh - Romulan or Vulcan?


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Or the fact one of their longest standing diplomats from "Vulcan" turned out to be a Romulan the entire time lol.

"Gosh! Bamboozled again!"
 
McCoy figured him out in 5 seconds!

My point exactly. Who the fuck passed Arne Darvin on his physical. :lol:

Or the fact one of their longest standing diplomats from "Vulcan" turned out to be a Romulan the entire time lol.

"Gosh! Bamboozled again!"

At least there you could maybe see someone being able to sneak though the medical exam. Since they are still fairly close genetically.
 
It is clear that Federation/Starfleet Medical simply doesn't give a shit. Going all the way back to Arne Darvin.

Though the big one is still Voq/Ash Tyler from Discovery. :eek:
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IDK - The Klingons went through (and put Voq/Tyler) through great pains to hide the fact he'd been transformed.

All it too for Arne Darvin to be discovered was McCoy doing a standard scan with his Medical Tricorder.
 
IDK - The Klingons went through (and put Voq/Tyler) through great pains to hide the fact he'd been transformed.

When you've done that much damage to a body to transform it, I don't really see how you could hide it to any great degree. Especially from sensors. Even if they could, it seems like they would've done the deep tissue scan or whatever it was Culber was doing immediately when they got Tyler back from the Klingons. Because it took like five seconds for him to figure it out, at that point.

That was one of those things where I don't think the writers really thought through what they were putting out there.
 
When you've done that much damage to a body to transform it, I don't really see how you could hide it to any great degree. Especially from sensors. Even if they could, it seems like they would've done the deep tissue scan or whatever it was Culber was doing immediately when they got Tyler back from the Klingons. Because it took like five seconds for him to figure it out, at that point.

That was one of those things where I don't think the writers really thought through what they were putting out there.
With transporter and synthisizer/replication tech - I think you could say it's doable.
 
Is it too soon to point out that the first two series on All Access have pulled the same trick?

It is clear that the All Access team has no plans on reinventing the wheel. They have elements they like to use and are going to beat them to death. I imagine we see a lot of the same tricks on the Section 31 series.
 
So does Starfleet medical who can't examine infiltrators and determine their species. Maybe Romulans and Vulcans are similar but Rizzo?
To be fair though, if there's an infiltrator (like Oh) this far up and with sufficient security clearance, making sure that your chess pieces aren't compromised is so much easier.
 
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IDK - The Klingons went through (and put Voq/Tyler) through great pains to hide the fact he'd been transformed.

All it too for Arne Darvin to be discovered was McCoy doing a standard scan with his Medical Tricorder.
Perhaps there was never any need to scan Darvin closley, he was after all just an assistant to the Undersecretary of Agriculture.
Not really an auspicious position.
 
I will say I really hope the Vulcan Commodore DOESN'T end up being the HEAD of Star Fleet security because while I could buy that ALL the various Star Empires manage to get spies into each others military organizations, Star Fleet (and Section 31) would have to be pretty damn incompotent to not realize their own HEAD of Starfleet Security is a Romulan agent or collaborator.
It works if Admiral Clancy really does know who and what Commodore Oh is. And before anyone starts with "why would the head of Starfleet knowingly allow a spy to run Starfleet Security" I'll point out that just a century earlier Starfleet chose a known enemy spy to become the director of their black ops division.
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IDK - The Klingons went through (and put Voq/Tyler) through great pains to hide the fact he'd been transformed.

All it too for Arne Darvin to be discovered was McCoy doing a standard scan with his Medical Tricorder.
Thing is, the tells that gave Darvin away were his heart rate and body temperature weren't human norms at all, and McCoy figured that out with one scan with a tricorder. Tyler was scanned by a shipboard medical computer three times before Culber found scarring that warranted further investigation. You seriously telling me that a shipboard medical computer aboard one of Starfleet's most advanced ships can't detect a human patient doesn't have proper heart rate or body temperature three times?
 
Going with "Vulcan who probably lost someone in that Mars attack, hence hating synthetics", but it's just as likely to me she is a surgically-altered Romulan.
 
This. I've been thinking along very similar lines. They deliberately state that the Zhat Vash is a hatred that goes back thousands of years. That would put it at the same time as the Vulcan/Romulan schism and the rise of Surak. Maybe those early Vulcans learned a valuable lesson about synthetics and AIs that they prefer not to share with off-worlders.

Considering the Control business in DIS, the various evil androids and AI in TOS and Lore in TNG, wouldn't the Federation have learned a lesson about it already, too? If the Vulcans way back likely before there were really Romulans yet had a bad experience with AI or androids or robots or whatsoever, why not be open about it? That might have stopped some mistakes the Federation has made with unnatural life forms.


Going with "Vulcan who probably lost someone in that Mars attack, hence hating synthetics", but it's just as likely to me she is a surgically-altered Romulan.

If they go the TOS and ENT route and it seems they do, no need for a surgery. Biological speaking Vulcans and Romulans are the same. Surak has only lived 2000 years ago and that was when the Romulans left Vulcan, because they didn't like his logic approach. None of the Romulans we have seen so far has that big TNG bulge thing in their face, so I think the PIC makers chose to ignore the mistake TNG made there.
 
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It works if Admiral Clancy really does know who and what Commodore Oh is. And before anyone starts with "why would the head of Starfleet knowingly allow a spy to run Starfleet Security" I'll point out that just a century earlier Starfleet chose a known enemy spy to become the director of their black ops division.

Thing is, the tells that gave Darvin away were his heart rate and body temperature weren't human norms at all, and McCoy figured that out with one scan with a tricorder. Tyler was scanned by a shipboard medical computer three times before Culber found scarring that warranted further investigation. You seriously telling me that a shipboard medical computer aboard one of Starfleet's most advanced ships can't detect a human patient doesn't have proper heart rate or body temperature three times?
Yes, IF they have knowledge of how to fool medical scans. Look "Trouble With Tribbles was a comedy episode - but in other 'Spy' type episodes, said spies WERE able to trick/fool equipment on all sides because they had been prepared. It seems TNG fans think the tech is sooo perfect, nothing can fool it. <--- Were that the case, there should be spies ANYWHERE - but even in TNG there were - so yeah, the equipment shouldn't be foolproof.
 
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