Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x02 - "Maps and Legends"
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Threat Reduction is the term I would use.
Still dangerous but not to the extent they were, the playing field has been levelled somewhat.
Is that really a consistent thing though? We saw an abandoned cube in "Unity" as well, and that was way closer to Borg space.
Now we just set off a Red Matter device at the heart of the Unicomplex plus and Omega Molecule and be done with it.
They can use spore drive or transwarp beaming to get it there!
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The Collective is far too distributed and spread out to be truly defeated by a single act, even though Janeways virus was extremely effective, no doubt some of the Collective remains intact as it included thousands of cubes, wouldnt surprise me if another Queen rises.
After all we have already seen two Borg Queens defeated and killed, if there can be two then why not three.
Then again perhaps Hugh will put us straight on that and say the virus actually finished the Collective off and now its just a matter of reclamation.
If "Unity" was a VOY episode, yeah, okay...never saw it as I gave up on VOY after "The 37's".
Yes, Romulan days! But, even if not, I still think it's a clue. Maybe, as you say, they were cut off from the collective 16 years ago and they went into stasis. Then, something happened two years later, such as maybe that's when the Romulans found the ship and did . . . something--which is what triggered the attack.
I suppose it could be a coincidence but seems unlikely.
TNG absurdly overextended the PD to "no interference, period," even if it meant allowing entire civilizations to be wiped out. Which was insane. By that standard, Kirk could not have stopped Miramanee's people from being wiped out by that comet, from helping the "Spock's Brain" people when their central computer broke down, taught the the Yangs about the Declaration of Independence, made contact with the folks in "Friday's Child," etc.
The TOS version of the PD (which was, admittedly, applied inconsistently) was basically an anti-colonialism policy. Don't wade in and play God (if you can avoid it), tread carefully and err toward letting less developed civilizations develop at their own rate. It was not an absolute policy preventing you from dropping in, saying hello, and maybe establishing friendly trade and relations. Sometimes a landing party would try to blend in; other times, not so much.
The whole "you must keep your hands off until they develop FTL drives" is more of a 24th century thing, and was sometimes taken to ridiculous extremes. IMHO.
The TOS version of the PD (which was, admittedly, applied inconsistently) was basically an anti-colonialism policy. Don't wade in and play God (if you can avoid it), tread carefully and err toward letting less developed civilizations develop at their own rate. It was not an absolute policy preventing you from dropping in, saying hello, and maybe establishing friendly trade and relations. Sometimes a landing party would try to blend in; other times, not so much.
The whole "you must keep your hands off until they develop FTL drives" is more of a 24th century thing, and was sometimes taken to ridiculous extremes. IMHO.
Bah! TRIBBLES ARE THE ANSWER!!
Oh, and wonderfully codified in "Dear, Doctor" when Archer opines about Starfleet creating a "directive" when he then says what the TOS style PD would be "We didn't come out here to play god."
Terrible episode.
There are FIVE Borg Queens!
It didn't sound like Hugh's cube self-destructed either, when it got disconnected.
Was there ever a doubt?
What I can't figure out is, there are two actresses named Peyton List. I had always thought SAG didn't allow that sort of thing.
Anybody who claims they'd never interfere in another culture to save lives or rid it of despotism is either lying or bad at telling a lie. Were there no rigid law in effect to discourage interference in other cultures Starfleet in the 24th century might well be full of Captain Kirks.
Wearing the same stinkin' necklace!There are FIVE Borg Queens!
Apparently, they didn't notice it:
https://web.archive.org/web/2017020...essies-peyton-list-sharing-her-215829849.html
Cute little article about the situation: https://www.indiewire.com/2016/10/peyton-list-frequency-swap-thinning-1201733445/
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Dahj and Soji could be an attempt by the remnants of the Borg to create a new type of Queen.There are FIVE Borg Queens!
If so how the hell did Picard know that, even if it was subconsciously via a dream, then again he was a part of the Collective for a while is there still a ghost in the machine.
I am still not entirely convinced his symptoms are purely down to Irumodic Syndrome at this point, I want to see if anything in his dreams comes true first.
I wonder if Commadore Oh is a Vulcan or a Romulan villian and Rizzo has her own agenda when it came to Dahj and Soji and whatever foul plans they had in store for the android twin sisters and desperate to get their secrets.Also Bruce Maddox who created them.
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Rizzo was supposed to capture Dahj but perhaps she didnt want to, it would indicate that Rizzo is more the zealot than the Commodore, which could be because O isnt a member of Zhat Vash or Rizzo isnt and is only being given information on a need to know basis.
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