Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

[cooleddie74]

CBS is clearly trying to have its cellular peptide cake and eat it too. They don't know what kind of TOS Enterprise they want. "Ephraim & Dot" is kiddie nonsense and not really canon, yet at the same time they have a TOS Sickbay and TOS uniforms and a TOS Engine Room coexisting with the DSC Enterprise's external appearance and corridors. It's baffling and yet hilarious at the same time.

 

[Timo]

...And then it turns out it's the NCC-1701-A anyway. Perhaps a dream sequence after all?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[BillJ]

"Ephraim & Dot" is kiddie nonsense and not really canon...

Did I miss a memo? If not, it is canon. Which goes to show how much TOS canon and continuity mean to the current powers that be.

 

[cooleddie74]

It's been heavily inferred that it's so zany and stupid that it can't be taken seriously from any linear point of view. Nobody I've heard discuss it takes the canon status of this cartoon seriously.

 

[Gonzo]

Did I miss a memo? If not, it is canon.

My understanding is if its on TV its canon, including the Short Treks.

 

[Timo]

Well, it's explicitly a story being told in the Star Trek universe. Doesn't mean it would need to be a true story.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[cooleddie74]

Which also means the TOS Enterprise appearance is still canon. CBS is really digging itself into a hole with this one.

 

[BillJ]

It's been heavily inferred that it's so zany and stupid that it can't be taken seriously from any linear point of view. Nobody I've heard discuss it takes the canon status of this cartoon seriously.

But, as I've had thrown in my face plenty here, we don't get to decide what is canon.

 

[cooleddie74]

Oh, it's not up to me. I'm just saying what everybody else seems to be saying.

In-universe it is literally one extended acid trip where nothing makes sense.

 

[BillJ]

In-universe it is literally one extended acid trip where nothing makes sense.

So Discovery?

 

[cooleddie74]

You said it. Not me.

Well, not out loud.

 

[fireproof78]

Which also means the TOS Enterprise appearance is still canon. CBS is really digging itself into a hole with this one.

Not really, since fans won't believe them one way or the other.

 

[ITDUDE]

So Discovery?

Well, you need to be on something to listen to all the Boringham speeches...

 

[BillJ]

Well, you need to be on something to listen to all the Boringham speeches...

I'm actually to the point that I feel sorry for Sonequa Martin-Green. The material they give her is just plain dire.

 

[Noname Given]

The TOS version is gone, replaced by the Discovery-verse version in "Ephraim & Dot".

Meh - the cartoon had episode incidents out of order anyway...so I don't take stock of what was effectively a good Bugs Bunny (circa 1940ies) cartoon as adhering to or being a serious part of TOS era 'canon'.

 

[Longinus]

I'm actually to the point that I feel sorry for Sonequa Martin-Green. The material they give her is just plain dire.

Yes, definitely. All the actors on Disco are bloody excellent, the best bunch they've had since TNG. It is really unfair to blame them for the failings of the writers.

 

[cooleddie74]

Sonequa was amazing on The Walking Dead. On DSC she's just a really good actress lost in a role that doesn't know what it wants to be.

 

[BillJ]

Meh - the cartoon had episode incidents out of order anyway...so I don't take stock of what was effectively a good Bugs Bunny (circa 1940ies) cartoon as adhering to or being a serious part of TOS era 'canon'.

They are all over the place in live action as well, Spock's first day on the ship and the events post-"The Cage" both take place on the potato peeler version of the Enterprise. While their introduction in "If Memory Serves...", has the original version of the ship taking part in events.

 

[Noname Given]

They are all over the place in live action as well, Spock's first day on the ship and the events post-"The Cage" both take place on the potato peeler version of the Enterprise. While they're introduction in "If Memory Serves...", has the original version of the ship taking part in events.

Hey - refits happen

 

[BillJ]

Hey - refits happen

And defits!