Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

[Racefuel]

The NX01 lasted 100 years in "E2". Discovery lasts 1000 as of "Calypso". I doubt all those Excelsiors, Oberths and Mirandas in TNG/DS9 are new builds, either.

Based on the registry number of certain Excelsior class, like Valley Forge at Chintoka, being NCC-43305, it was a new-er build, as well as the Excelsior Variant 2 USS Lakota being NCC-42768, which would put them between the Ambassador class of the 2330's and 2340's and the Galaxy class of the 2350's. So they were being new-built until at least 2350.

 

[Racefuel]

Did not have that CG model to use,so the Pike one was shown.

Given the raw amount of money and production value they've sunk into this, they could have made a CG model of the TOS Enterprise if they wanted to. However, they intentionally chose the Discovery version to establish it as canon.

You're entitled to your opinion, but it doesn't change what has been shown on screen now.

 

[Noname Given]

You're entitled to your opinion, but it doesn't change what has been shown on screen now.

Going by that logic - I guess the Constitution Class Refit 1701-A, Excelsior Class 1701-B, Ambassador Class 1701-C, an Sovereign Class 1701-E never existed either.

All we saw was a flip in the display from the Disco-Prise 1701 to the Galaxy Class 1701-D. For all we know, the display just picks random historical starfleet ship class models in no particular order.

 

[Timo]

Yeah, what's with this "never existed" stuff? All we got was yet another incarnation of the well-established Starship of a Thousand Faces. The ship magically shape-shifted between TOS and TMP. Now we know there was another such magic trick in her career...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Racefuel]

Going by that logic - I guess the Constitution Class Refit 1701-A, Excelsior Class 1701-B, Ambassador Class 1701-C, an Sovereign Class 1701-E never existed either.

All we saw was a flip in the display from the Disco-Prise 1701 to the Galaxy Class 1701-D. For all we know, the display just picks random historical starfleet ship class models in no particular order.

No, the 1701-E was shown as a model in the Picard archive, as was the Captains Yacht.

The discovery version of Enterprise was inserted for one very specific reason, to shut the "it's not the enterprise" people down.

 

[Timo]

(Which is fine and well, but it certainly doesn't mean "the 1960s ship isn't the Enterprise"!)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Noname Given]

No, the 1701-E was shown as a model in the Picard archive, as was the Captains Yacht.

The discovery version of Enterprise was inserted for one very specific reason, to shut the "it's not the enterprise" people down.

Okay - so the Constitution Class Refit 1701-A, Excelsior Class 1701-B, Ambassador Class 1701-C just never existed - got it.

(Oh and if you're going to argue because Picard has a model of the E in the Quantum Storage Trailer - we SAW Kirk's/TOS's 1701 in it's full gllory in DS9 - "Trials And Tribble-ations" - so yeah your logic above is faulty to include one, but not the rest. )

 

[Racefuel]

(Which is fine and well, but it certainly doesn't mean "the 1960s ship isn't the Enterprise"!)

Timo Saloniemi

It was the Enterprise as depicted in 1960's technology and design..however, despite people being unhappy with it, it has been retconned to the Discovery enterprise. That's all.

 

[Racefuel]

Okay - so the Constitution Class Refit 1701-A, Excelsior Class 1701-B, Ambassador Class 1701-C just never existed - got it.

(Oh and if you're going to argue because Picard has a model of the E in the Quantum Storage Trailer - we SAW Kirk's/TOS's 1701 in it's full gllory in DS9 - "Trials And Tribble-ations" - so yeah your logic above is faulty to include one, but not the rest. )

My logic isn't faulty at all, it's based on the point that the Enterprise from Discovery was included to establish it as the visual replacement for the TOS Enterprise and therefore retroactively the visual reboot for the Enterprise seen in Relics and Trials and Tribble-ations.

 

[Jesse1066]

Spoiler: Trials and Tribble-ations

 

[Dukhat]

Based on the registry number of certain Excelsior class, like Valley Forge at Chintoka, being NCC-43305, it was a new-er build, as well as the Excelsior Variant 2 USS Lakota being NCC-42768, which would put them between the Ambassador class of the 2330's and 2340's and the Galaxy class of the 2350's. So they were being new-built until at least 2350.

There has never been definitive proof that registries are chronological, or that they equate to a certain time period of construction. For all we know, registries are like batch numbers: a certain block of random numbers are assigned to certain builds. The 4XXXX Excelsiors could have been built immediately after the 2XXX Excelsiors, and the 2XXXX Ambassador class ships could have been built after the 4XXXX Excelsiors even though the registries are lower. Or the 2XXXX registries are assigned to ships with deep space exploration duty, which was probably why we never saw many Ambassadors, unlike the Excelsiors, where ships with 4XXXX registries could be assigned as ferries or front-line ships.

The bottom line is we don’t know the logic behind registry numbers, so it’s folly to try to equate them chronologically with a particular time period.

 

[Timo]

...But fun!

As for the Discoprise, it has been added to the Trek universe now. Nothing has been taken away. Heck, we even saw the 1960s ship in an episode of ST: Discovery!

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Noname Given]

Spoiler: Trials and Tribble-ations

- well played sir!

...But fun!

As for the Discoprise, it has been added to the Trek universe now. Nothing has been taken away. Heck, we even saw the 1960s ship in an episode of ST: Discovery!

Timo Saloniemi

Oh yeah the TRUE 'Valentine' to us TOS fans and a true '10' of an episode if there ever was one: ST: D S2 - "If Memory Serves"

Thank you sir!

 

[Dukhat]

Heck, we even saw the 1960s ship in an episode of ST: Discovery!

We did? When?

 

[ITDUDE]

...But fun!

As for the Discoprise, it has been added to the Trek universe now. Nothing has been taken away. Heck, we even saw the 1960s ship in an episode of ST: Discovery!

Timo Saloniemi

If Discoprise is canon, I want to see NCC-1701-A version of it

 

[Racefuel]

We did? When?

It's on an infographic of the Defiant? I think? Or it may have been of the Enterprise as a general "Constitution Class" infographic.

 

[Racefuel]

We did? When?

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[Dukhat]

It's on an infographic of the Defiant?

The wire-frame of the Defiant was not the original TOS configuration.

Or it may have been of the Enterprise as a general "Constitution Class" infographic.

I don’t recall any graphic depicting the original TOS configuration.

Edit: Ah, ok, the footage from The Cage that was (jarringly) inserted into the completely different visual style of DSC. Check.

 

[Timo]

So far, DSC has shown us four different shapes of a Constitution class starship, not counting the animated short:

1) the wireframe in the Mirror Universe in "Despite Yourself"
2) the double-pylon ship on the display in "Brother"
3) the angled-pylon ship out there in "Brother"
4) the TOS ship in the "If Memory Serves" intro

They all looked different. Which simply appears to be how you define a Constitution class starship. Much like you define Klingons.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[BillJ]

Hoping the Discoprise gets refit by 2265 to look like the TOS version.

The TOS version is gone, replaced by the Discovery-verse version in "Ephraim & Dot".