I'm beginning to think that Hugh is the one Seven is holding on the floor in the trailers.
I thought the experts here decided that person's hair was too curly to be Hugh.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x02 - "Maps and Legends"
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I thought the experts here decided that person's hair was too curly to be Hugh.
It's probably been suggested already; but the interaction between the uber Tal'Shiar (I forget the name already) operative and the Vulcan Admiral, and the former's later interaction with her brother on the cube makes me suspect that the Vulcan Admiral is indeed a Vulcan and not an undercover Romulan as one might expect. And further to that; said shady cabal could predate the Surak era schism. Incarnations of it could still persist in BOTH cultures. I mean, as much as we've never seen the Romulans use AI, neither have we seen the Vulcans do so, and they're supposedly among the most logical and scientifically inclined race in the Federation.
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How would they know? Hugh didn't have any hair the last time we saw him.
yeah the thing with the 14 planets leaving made me think of Brexit. Makes sense the federation would have some version of article 50 if planets wanted to leave.
I don't like it when they mimic the real world so closely.
"Rizzo" is a Romulan spy in disguise. But her discussion with Narek makes it clear that while the interests of the Commodore align with this Romulan faction - and she has some sort of power over it, since she can threaten them - she's not "of" the organization in the same way they are. Which means even if she's a Romulan, she's probably not Zhat Vash - or she is, but the Romulan death squads under Rizzo are not.
Yeah, quite an about face from the TNG finale where he basically strong-armed his old crew into doing what he needed them to do. Heck, what Bev did in the finale would’ve gotten her court-martialed, relieved of duty, and facing an extended period in the brig.
But no, he couldn’t possibly ask them for help now. . Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want cameos for the sake of cameos, but in this case it made perfect sense for him to ask his old crew.
I almost wish they hadn’t said anything at all, so I could make up a better excuse in my head.
Worlds leaving the Federation is not a new concept. In Star Trek, though, they eventually come to their senses. If only the same were true in reality.
I'm not so sure. I think that when the mars attack happened and the rescue fleet got cancelled that he DID call upon his old crew then and they did come to his aid putting their careers at risk for him. Some may have gotten in trouble for it. So my guess right now is that he doesn't want to put them in the same position AGAIN that he already put them in during the romulan incident.
So if the Tal Shiar are the Romulan equivalent to Federation Intelligence, would that make the Zhat Vash the Romulan analogue to Section 31?
I'm a little confused. It was mentioned their history goes back a thousand years. Has this secret cabal hated AI & synthetic life that whole time or is this a more recent development?
I'm a little confused. It was mentioned their history goes back a thousand years. Has this secret cabal hated AI & synthetic life that whole time or is this a more recent development?
I was of that opinion as well.
But it seems that the person Seven is holding is wearing a similar outfit as Hugh.
And we haven't seen Hugh up close from the back yet in the show.
And with at least 150 member worlds as of the 2370s it would stand to reason that a not-too-insignificant minority of them would find helping the Romulan Star Empire offensive after generations of hostility and even open warfare. The Federation isn't the utopia it's often made out to be so it'd be perfectly understandable that, say, the Tellarites or Andorians might find a vast rescue armada to save hundreds of millions of Romulans to be objectionable.
This also happens just a decade or so after the end of the bloodiest war in the recorded history of the Alpha Quadrant and the Federation and Starfleet are likely still rebuilding from the carnage and structural damage from the war. "You're going to mobilize thousands of ships to help our oldest enemy when we don't even have enough starships to patrol the frontiers with the Cardassians and the Tzenkethi? NOT IF I CAN HELP IT."
Much better than the first episode. I still don't like all this Rise of the Machines plot (for 1000 times), but the execution, performance, acting, atmosphere was top notch. Liked all the new characters (Admiral, Commodore, Romulan spy girl), want to know more about them.
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I'm saying that the Commodore is also a romulan
Counterpoint: it’s not like he’s asking them to invest in his time share. If he believes this situation strikes as the very heart of the Federation itself, why would he begin this mission with one hand tied around his back? His former crew are probably some of the most respected in their fields in the Federation. He doesn’t necessarily have to ask for their direct support, like uprooting their lives and flying around with him—that might be of dubious usefulness—but the information and resources they could uncover for him would undoubtedly be immensely useful.
Again, if his mission is that important, it would be moronic not to use the best resources he has, and he could do it in such a way that his former crew’s direct involvement would be minimal.
Like, I get they wanted to explain why we don’t see Geordie, Bev, etc, but the explanation they used was pretty weak sauce.
But they did.
That is what the whole Nemesis' plot was actually about. Picard, Shinzon, Donatra, the dead Romulan senators were just pawns in the Great Game. The purpose of the game is to lure Data into imperial territory and kill him. And they did it.
Now you know the whole truth and can't unsee it.
Why would you assume that?
But Akaar wouldn't be saying what she said; Akaar would save the Romulans (especially since they were post-war allies).
Because it's Q and there was a discontinuity between the timelines. I dunno, its just impression I got.
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