Because the alternative is that they speak like 21st century BCers?
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x02 - "Maps and Legends"
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The alternative is they don't use 21st century slang. Words like "Dude" should probably just not be used in a 23rd century sci fi tbh
This episode was much more into "meh" area for me. More putting the pieces in place for the season's story, I guess, but things were clunkier here. The overlapping scenes of the Romulan woman talking to Picard intercut with them in the apartment was odd... And as silly as Trek can be she can scan the room and recreate events, even conversations, that happened days earlier?
Huh?!
The look/feel of the opening scene on Mars also just felt out of place for this universe, everyone's behavior was off and the replicator here looked too much like a cross between a 3D-printer and microwave it even had an old microwave "ding" when the meal was finished.
Romulans are anti-android/AI? Er... Okay. They sure tolerated Data for a long time and the Romulan defector in, "The Defector" didn't seem to have a problem with Data.
Oh! An antagonistic Admiral who throws out curse words because it's a streaming TV show and there's no censorship!
I don't, this episode was a lot messier. Still looking forward to more episodes but, this one kind of took my excitement/passion for the series down a notch.
Yes... this deflated the balloon a bit for me. I agree the dialog on Mars was odd. Actually, it was rather obvious dialog - "Look how rude we are to the androids/non-people".
- You bet me to the punch re: The Romulan/anti-android angle. To quote Admiral Jarok from The Defector: "I know a host of Romulan cyberneticists that would love to be this close to you". The revelation there is a much older, more secretive organisation behind the Tal'Shiar is... odd, to say the least. A thousand+ year old vendetta against artificial life? No doubt their fervent hatred of AI will be revealed in due course. My first thought was something to do with The Borg.
- The apartment scene ... well, that was some pretty whiz-bang technology, wasn't it? Could have done without the wordy info dump on the sanitizing process or whatever it was they were going on about. Not sure if it qualifies as technobabble, but it didn't need all that detail in the dialog surely?
- The Admiral scene felt off. Combination of poor dialog and acting.
Hopefully enough of the story has been set up so that we can forgo any more big exposition dumps.
3/5
"Dude" is neither of 21st (or 20th) century origin nor did it originate in Southern California.
Would you have been bothered is they'd waved a tricorder around the room, which is what they used to do to achieve the same purpose.
I don't really care, you get my meaning.
Its kind of too bad we've not gotten to see Picard's meltdown after what went down after the attack on Mars and the subsequent collapse of the Romulan rescue mission, as the expression on the Admiral's face and her ultimate response to Picard suggested that he burned all his bridges with Starfleet would be a massive understatement.
Complaining to complain--got it!
It's not the golden goose buddy, no show is above criticism as much as many disco era trek fans would indicate othersise
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- The Admiral scene felt off. Combination of poor dialog and acting.
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I felt the same. The dialogue needed to be rewritten. I cringed during that. I mean, we have Picard and an Admiral arguing....we've seen that plenty of times. But that dialogue was....off.
- The Admiral scene felt off. Combination of poor dialog and acting.
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I felt the same. The dialogue needed to be rewritten. I cringed during that. I mean, we have Picard and an Admiral arguing....we've seen that plenty of times. But that dialogue was....off.
That comment must be meant for someone else, because I never claimed as much.
Yeah. I think they were going for cold and stand off-ish but it just didn't flow very well. Might have been some awkward editing as well. I'd have to re-watch.
Looking forward to seeing the pieces come together. At this stage it feels we don't have a fully formed show (as they've stated, the first three episodes form the 'pilot').
One other thing. I'm assuming Hugh and his group aren't associated with The Artifact but come into the picture later? I mistook the set up was The Romulans and disconnected Borg working together. But what I gleaned from this episode, all the drones on The Artifact are disabled (for now).
Also, when Soji and Narek referred to the Borg Cube's omnipotence and power, I thought to myself "you haven't seen Janeway and her transphasic torpedoes in action, have you?"
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Sigh.
NCIS is a cop show. True Detective is a cop show. Both feature investigation and crime solving. But they FEEL completely different. You wouldn't want NCIS to suddenly feel like True Detective, and True Detective would lose a lot of its flavor if it felt like NCIS.
Star Trek has a certain feel, achieved by decades of world building. Update it by all means....but be mindful of the world you inhabit. This episode, at times, felt like a generic CBS show. The pilot did not as much.
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Have not seen it yet but there appears to be a couple of areas that warrant special attention when I do watch it.
Is the dialogue off slightly at times to give us a hint that something is not right with the person involved perhaps.
Will be interesting to see, I have to wait until its released on Amazon Prime tomorrow.
Is the dialogue off slightly at times to give us a hint that something is not right with the person involved perhaps.
Will be interesting to see, I have to wait until its released on Amazon Prime tomorrow.
"Star Trek is a cop show" - Harlan Ellison.
Star Trek has a number of different "feels" depending on who's running it, whether it's Gene Coon, Robert Wise, Rick Berman, JJ Abrams or Michael Chabon.
Yeah, this was much messier than last week. The CSI stuff was so fantastic it pulled me out of the story. And I’m beginning to understand some of the early reviews’ concerns about the pacing. Picard is basically old Ben Kenobi, but it’s taking three episodes to get off Tatooine.
Some of the place-setting is necessary, certainly, but I’m still not convinced by NuTrek’s fondness for the “three-hour pilot.” There’s meditative storytelling and then there’s inefficient storytelling.
The Romulan housekeepers are great. I hope they don’t disappear from the show.
Some of the place-setting is necessary, certainly, but I’m still not convinced by NuTrek’s fondness for the “three-hour pilot.” There’s meditative storytelling and then there’s inefficient storytelling.
The Romulan housekeepers are great. I hope they don’t disappear from the show.
The Romulan housekeepers, along with Picard himself, are my favorite part of the show. But I guess after the next episode when the ship gets underway, they won't be regulars and that'll make me sad.
Yeah but you came in defending the use of the word "dude" with your copy of the Oxford English dictionary tracing the first use of the word dude.
You get where I'm coming from, the word "lit" didn't originate in 2017 but it's very much a "current" term.
I have a feeling that they will find their way back into the story later in the season, but knowing they won't be constants is disappointing.
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Just to be clear, I do think the housekeepers are hiding something but that is a good thing as far as I am concerned.
Bet Laris ends up being a Romulan ninja, liking her and Zhaban more and more.
So the Romulans have a secret organisation within a secret organisation, will not pass judgement on their hatred of all things artificial until I hear their reasons why and see the episode.
The show is still in the setup phase of scene setting and character introduction, so it may just be that they have a lot to introduce in a very short space of screen time.
Bet Laris ends up being a Romulan ninja, liking her and Zhaban more and more.
So the Romulans have a secret organisation within a secret organisation, will not pass judgement on their hatred of all things artificial until I hear their reasons why and see the episode.
The show is still in the setup phase of scene setting and character introduction, so it may just be that they have a lot to introduce in a very short space of screen time.
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