Frasier revival

[Captaindemotion]

Maybe Kirstie Alley could stumble into his life somehow... i kinda like her for frasier.

She was great in Cheers but isn’t she basically bonkers these days?

 

[Captain pl1ngpl0ng]

is she bonkers?... i dont know... would make a great match for frasier then i suppose=)

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

You'll notice that Kirstie Alley is the only living Cheers regular to never appear on Frasier. Supposedly it's because she's a Scientologist and doesn't believe in psychology, so she refuses to appear in anything that portrays psychology in a positive light. (Whether Frasier & Niles are positive representatives of their profession is up for debate, IMO. )

I agree that we don't need more of the character -- it ended as it should have, but having said that ... if they continue, here are some of my ideas:

Okay, so I'll go with Frasier being a professor. I'll go with his son being more like his father.

So, Frasier is an adjunct professor some less than prestigious university (something he still can't get over). He is dealing with his new marriage and his son (who inherited the chair, so it's still there -- now with more duct tape). Just when he thinks he's got a handle on things, the handle comes off:

A new adjunct professor has arrived --

I like your pitch but with one change. The new adjunct professor is...... Dick Solomon! Frasier then needs to learn to cope with sharing an office with Dick and his increasingly bizarre antics.

Any episode with Daphne's mother is also an automatic skip for me, too.

I've never understood that. I generally liked her.

even so, it’s not like a 30 something lusting after a teenage cousin is an awful lot better.

"These things happen... They happen every day... Every day IN ARKANSAS!!!!"

The clunkers were things like "Docu.Drama" and "Mary Christmas" and ""The First Temptation of Daphne" "Wheels of Fortune" and so on. "Wheels of Fortune" and "The Devil and Dr. Phil" were especially terrible. Usually the episodes that featured Bebe Glazer were great and some of my favorites, this one STANK up the room. The Nile's heart attack three-parter never needed to happen. It's such a GD cop-out to pull this crap on a comedy sitcom.

"Cheerful Goodbyes" brought many Cheers characters back, but the writing was so ba...errr.. mediocre. "Bully for Martin" "Enemy at the Gate", "Proxy Prexy" "Fraternal Schwinns" and more were all just sub-standard. They could have been considered good writing for most sitcoms, but not Frasier. The trouble with those seasons were that the high points were a little lower, and the low points were a LOT lower.

Even so, littered around these clunkers was a lot of cleverly written episodes.

Eh, Daphne's mother was the least of my worries. Episodes like "War of the Words" made me want to tune out... Thankfully, season 11 was back to form.

I haven't seen most of these but I recognize a few of them. "The First Temptation of Daphne" was pretty dire. "Wheels of Fortune" was pretty good and it's always fun to see Michael Keaton in anything. "War of the Words" was decent.

And while most fans seem to hold a dim view of Season 10, "Roe to Perdition" is one of my favorite episodes of the entire series! It's certainly the best thing the show had done since "The Seal Who Came to Dinner" back in Season 6.

 

[jmidnight_99]

I haven't seen most of these but I recognize a few of them. "The First Temptation of Daphne" was pretty dire. "Wheels of Fortune" was pretty good and it's always fun to see Michael Keaton in anything. "War of the Words" was decent.

And while most fans seem to hold a dim view of Season 10, "Roe to Perdition" is one of my favorite episodes of the entire series! It's certainly the best thing the show had done since "The Seal Who Came to Dinner" back in Season 6.

Most of the episodes weren't terrible, but there was definitely something missing. Wheel of Fortune just wasn't clever writing. Michael Keaton is great, but the character he played wasn't. And clever writing and good characters are what sets Frasier apart from most shows. Ditto for War of the Words. It's "decent", but those clunkers just lacked the little certain "something" that made Frasier more than just "decent". The one where they go to class to learn auto repair is unwatchable to me. It was "Two and a half Men" level jokes and antics. Unwatchable.

 

[JD]

I agree that we don't need more of the character -- it ended as it should have, but having said that ... if they continue, here are some of my ideas:

Okay, so I'll go with Frasier being a professor. I'll go with his son being more like his father.

So, Frasier is an adjunct professor some less than prestigious university (something he still can't get over). He is dealing with his new marriage and his son (who inherited the chair, so it's still there -- now with more duct tape). Just when he thinks he's got a handle on things, the handle comes off:

A new adjunct professor has arrived -- Niles Crane. Having been fired from his radio show and always wanting to one-up his brother, Niles jealously peruses the same line of work.

Now thinking he has the handle, Niles becomes shocked and unsettled with the re-incarnation of Crane With a Cane becomes friends with his son David. But it becomes even worse when he becomes infatuated with Niles daughter.*


* = If we assume Niles and Daphne got pregnant quickly after David and that this show may not even air until 2022 (assume it even gets made), she'll be 18, so no worries about the age.

No thank you, I'm not a fan of incest stories.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

But it becomes even worse when he becomes infatuated with Niles daughter.

Perhaps an alternative would be Niles & Daphne having a daughter who develops an unrequited crush on an oblivious assistant working for Niles. It might be interesting seeing a female version of Niles' longstanding crush on Daphne.

 

[bigdaddy]

Perhaps an alternative would be Niles & Daphne having a daughter who develops an unrequited crush on an oblivious assistant working for Niles. It might be interesting seeing a female version of Niles' longstanding crush on Daphne.

Nope. That doesn't work in 2020. It barely worked back then. The only reason why it wasn't completely creepy was because David Hyde Pierce played it perfectly.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

Even a crush in a female-to-male direction? I figured that there was at least still enough of a double standard for that to work?

 

[bigdaddy]

Even a crush in a female-to-male direction? I figured that there was at least still enough of a double standard for that to work?

Nope. People will say it's creepy and that the woman is looking weak because she NEEDS a man and yadda yadda.

I'm not saying I agree. But Niles came really close to being a freak who should be checked in to a nice room with padded walls.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

Which is strange given that unrequited love is one of the most universal aspects of the human condition.

 

[Timby]

The one where they go to class to learn auto repair is unwatchable to me. It was "Two and a half Men" level jokes and antics. Unwatchable.

I'm tempted to ban you for reminding me of that waste of time.

 

[XCV330]

Rather see a Niles show. I like to think of David Hyde Pierce's film "The Perfect Host" as a dark ending to Cheers and Frasier.

 

[jmidnight_99]

I'm tempted to ban you for reminding me of that waste of time.

And I'd deserve it. Of course, I didn't write the piece of crap, so you'd be killing the messenger.

 

[jmidnight_99]

Nope. People will say it's creepy and that the woman is looking weak because she NEEDS a man and yadda yadda. I'm not saying I agree. But Niles came really close to being a freak who should be checked in to a nice room with padded walls.

Through high school and college, I have known at least seven people who "got bit" by someone that the couldn't shake. I met my wife when we were both 22. I saw her out o the corner of my eye, standing in the sun with her friends. She was wearing a tie-dyed t-shirt. It felt like someone knocked the wind out of me. That feeling has persisted for 30 years. I don't know what the hell would have happened if we were somehow kept apart.

Which is strange given that unrequited love is one of the most universal aspects of the human condition.

My best friend, married 25 years STILL talks about the one he couldn't catch.

 

[bigdaddy]

Through high school and college, I have known at least seven people who "got bit" by someone that the couldn't shake. I met my wife when we were both 22. I saw her out o the corner of my eye, standing in the sun with her friends. She was wearing a tie-dyed t-shirt. It felt like someone knocked the wind out of me. That feeling has persisted for 30 years.

But were you married at the time and stalked the woman?

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

Niles didn't stalk Daphne. Admittedly, the fact that he was married to Maris while pining for Daphne made him a bit of a cad. But it was OK because (1.) Niles didn't seem to really seriously consider acting on his feelings until after he & Maris were separated in Season 3; (2.) Maris was, by all accounts, truly awful and insufferable; and (3.) we never saw Maris, so she doesn't even count as a real person.

Meanwhile, my heart goes out to everyone who ever got bit by someone that they can't extract from their heart. I've been nursing feelings for a good friend of mine for 16 years now. I'd happily move on if only I'd ever met anyone else even slightly worthwhile.

 

[bigdaddy]

Niles didn't stalk Daphne. Admittedly, the fact that he was married to Maris while pining for Daphne made him a bit of a cad. But it was OK because (1.) Niles didn't seem to really seriously consider acting on his feelings until after he & Maris were separated in Season 3; (2.) Maris was, by all accounts, truly awful and insufferable; and (3.) we never saw Maris, so she doesn't even count as a real person.

Meanwhile, my heart goes out to everyone who ever got bit by someone that they can't extract from their heart. I've been nursing feelings for a good friend of mine for 16 years now. I'd happily move on if only I'd ever met anyone else even slightly worthwhile.

4. It's a TV show, and a great one at that. Plus Niles treats Daphne beautifully. When Niles second wife was trying to drive a wedge between Niles and Daphne during the fake marriage thing she had going, Niles exploded and pretty much goes "I rather be poor with Daphne than rich in a fake marriage".

I'm gay, it's even worse when you have feelings for straight people. Like there is no chance at all and it's just ugh.

 

[jmidnight_99]

But were you married at the time and stalked the woman?

No, I married her. What?

 

[Omegaphallic]

My idea, Fraiser is now heavily into Youtube, and have a show like the Joe Rogan Experience, but with Fraiser's sensiblities and a cohost whose more conservative or maybe a Bernie Sanders supporter, generating conflicts with Fraiser. Roz is the Producer, Niles Skypes with his brother along with Daphne.

Oh no, oh no, HEHEHE I HAVE IT, HE COHOSTS A YOUTUBE SHOW WITH BOB "BULLDOG" BRISCOE !!!!!

Bulldog is one of those uber populists who likes both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders. He would drive Fraiser up the freaking wall. It would be so much fun. They had great scenes together in Fraiser.

 

[bigdaddy]

My idea, Fraiser is now heavily into Youtube, and have a show like the Joe Rogan Experience, but with Fraiser's sensiblities and a cohost whose more conservative or maybe a Bernie Sanders supporter, generating conflicts with Fraiser. Roz is the Producer, Niles Skypes with his brother along with Daphne.

Oh no, oh no, HEHEHE I HAVE IT, HE COHOSTS A YOUTUBE SHOW WITH BOB "BULLDOG" BRISCOE !!!!!

Bulldog is one of those uber populists who likes both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders. He would drive Fraiser up the freaking wall. It would be so much fun. They had great scenes together in Fraiser.

No. Nope. Just no.
The best part of Frasier is the fact that it started 26 years ago, damn, and it holds up today because nothing dates it. There were no bullshit politics in the show. That's how you make a show last.