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[BillJ]

can we please get back to whether or not Starfleet is a military organization...

It is, except for when it isn't.

 

[The Wormhole]

Hell, the news reporter interviewing Picard even describes him as one of the Federation's top military strategists. Which raises more questions about why he had no apparent involvement in the Dominion War.

 

[BillJ]

Hell, the news reporter interviewing Picard even describes him as one of the Federation's top military strategists. Which raises more questions about why he had no apparent involvement in the Dominion War.

Starfleet still didn’t trust him after the Borg assimilation?

 

[Paul Weaver]

Picard single handedly managed the defence of Vulcan, Andor and Earth, with 1 ship.

Sisko's incompetence required 2 bazillion ships to look after an old starbase

Only reason the Breen got to Earth was because Picard was cleaning up someone else's mess and liberating Betazed.

 

[Push The Button]

Great, now that we've established that money no longer exists, can we please get back to whether or not Starfleet is a military organization...and admit that it isn't.

(...or, rather, you get back to it. I'm off to green-er pasteurs hehehe)

Are there toilets on starships? Have we ever seen one?

 

[The Wormhole]

Starfleet still didn’t trust him after the Borg assimilation?

You'd think they'd learn their lesson after leaving him out of the battle in First Contact, only to have him show up anyway and win the battle in five minutes.

Or is this proof Starfleet really isn't a military? They leave their top strategist out of a war, because only militaries turn to strategists to win a war.

 

[BillJ]

You'd think they'd learn their lesson after leaving him out of the battle in First Contact, only to have him show up anyway and win the battle in five minutes.

The battle showed that regardless of what Crusher and other doctors said, there was still some part of Picard in communion with the Borg. Heck, it might have been the reason Starfleet allowed him to walk away after the Synth attack. Questioning if the Borg may have had something to do with it and used Picard as a backdoor into their defense net.

 

[Paul Weaver]

Are there toilets on starships? Have we ever seen one?

Kirk's Enterprise not only had toilets, but the one in the brig flushed directly out of the ship into intersteller space.

Many other references
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Toilet

 

[The Wormhole]

I remember a TNG behind the scenes special hosted by Jonathan Frakes where he pointed out the Enterprise's only bathroom on a ship schematic, somewhere in the stardrive section. Must suck for anyone stuck on the saucer during a separation.

 

[BillJ]

I remember a TNG behind the scenes special hosted by Jonathan Frakes where he pointed out the Enterprise's only bathroom on a ship schematic, somewhere in the stardrive section. Must suck for anyone stuck on the saucer during a separation.

I think on the plans, there is one on the bridge, to the left of the doors that lead to the Observation Lounge.

#PoopNotCanon

 

[The Wormhole]

I think on the plans, there is one on the bridge, to the left of the doors that lead to the Observation Lounge.

Which apparently must be co-ed, since we've seen a man and woman exiting those doors at the same time on the show. Either that or people in the 24th century just don't give a shit about trying to hide it when they step aside for an afternoon delight.

 

[DaveyNY]

Into Darkness had a mix of ground vehicles and flying ones. So far I think we've only seen flying ones in Picard, but it is 140ish years later and one universe over.
I'm really curious how that works in a world without money. TOS era had enough contradictory evidence that Orci and Kurtzman just said in a 2009 interview there is money in their Trek universe. But here it's an explicit continuation of TNG where they made it extremely clear money is a thing of the past.

Then what did Beverly use to purchase that bolt of fabric on Farpoint Station???

 

[ITDUDE]

Then what did Beverly use to purchase that bolt of fabric on Farpoint Station???

Well, she’s a woman, so....

 

[DaveyNY]

It is absolutely, 100%, the same universe. That decision is not left up to the fans; it is up to the creators. If CBS says it is the same universe, it is the same universe.

Yeah, some of us may not be pleased, but that is the way it is.

Well, she’s a woman, so....

She said beam up the bolt, not the person selling it.

 

[DaveyNY]

It’s a new day with new writers who live in an entirely different world with different experiences than thirty or fifty years ago. It is silly to treat these shows as anything other than new interpretations of older material. Doesn’t make them good or bad, or not Trek. But they aren’t and can never be that Trek we grew with all those years ago. Or honestly, any kind of true continuation as the people who made those shows are long gone.

We live in a world where we cannot let go of the past (unless it is something actually important like the Holocaust). Corporations have seized on this to peddle their wares. Everybody from entertainment producers to car companies use it to take advantage.

I heard your entire second paragraph in my head, in this guys voice...

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[Mr. Laser Beam]

I think on the plans, there is one on the bridge, to the left of the doors that lead to the Observation Lounge.

There's also one in Picard's ready room.

 

[BillJ]

There's also one in Picard's ready room.

Make it so.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

It is, except for when it isn't.

Starfleet (at least the Federation Starfleet) is military, it's just not militaristic. There's the difference.

The Earth Starfleet from ENT, on the other hand, was specifically said to not be military.

 

[BillJ]

The Earth Starfleet from ENT, on the other hand, was specifically said to not be military.

Picard said Starfleet wasn't the military in "Peak Performance"...

PICARD: Starfleet is not a military organization. Its purpose is exploration.

 

[DaveyNY]

I agree with you. But maybe the currency model is not the same as ours. Maybe they use different kind of currency system. Like Credit system. Where you have to work for the exchange of "credit" that give you the right to get some kind of luxury. The different is that credit doesn't inflate. It also doesn't work as currency exchange. You can't exchange Earth Credit with Ferengi gold and vice versa. You can't give credit to another person, like your children for allowance. So basically credit is credit. You work, you get credit, you can use it to enjoy some luxury that offered by Earth Service provider.

With luxury mean that you can get food and basic need like clothes freely. You may get a standard house. Maybe like a small, cramped apartment like in Hongkong. But if you want a castle like in Picard, or a luxurious mansion like Riker's, then you have to provide enough credit for it. Maybe explore strange new world, fight a war for Federation, etc can give you more credit than ordinary people who work as a clerk. You also have to use credit to enjoy Picard luxurious and tasty Wine, although the service providers like Picard Vineyard doesn't get anything from you. They get their own credit from Federation Government for their service. And of course, you need to spend credit to enjoy a luxurious entertainment in a holodeck. This way Federation can prevent you from becoming a Hikikomori person who spend his entire life in a holodeck.

Quark took Federation Credits in place of Latinum...
...though at a substantially reduced ratio, I'm sure.

Picard said Starfleet wasn't the military in "Peak Performance"...

... and then the Dominion came along.