Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

[PiotrB]

8/10 or Good.
An interesting episode as the first of three pilot parts. Similar to the DSC in this aspect. There are also subtle similarities in the overall narrative. This fact makes some of the comments in this thread in such a context quite funny. How much is changed by nostalgia (although undoubtedly another hidden and sometimes even unconscious factor in such comments also plays a role) in the evaluation of objectively similar facts. Undoubtedly, the advantage is also finally presenting Picard as an interesting, could be wrong and have human qualities. This is helped by the development that the character has achieved for the new series. It is only a pity that this happened mostly off screen in the post-Nemesis era. ;-) Another advantage is the fact that even without nostalgia the episode is simply good only other things are interesting in it and references to TNG can be mentally skipped. Let's hope it doesn't become more difficult in the future and the limit of fanwanking references to this bland series with mostly dull characters is not crossed. I look forward to the next episodes with such hope.

 

[PiotrB]

Not a single tedious Picard speech

 

[Specter]

Picard had every right to be pissed and that journalist was kind of pushy and wanted to paint him into a corner without respecting him or his position. Well timed with today’s style of journalism imo lol

methinks the show is gonna be about trying to right whatever went wrong w starfleet and synthetics and picard is just the bloke to do it.

 

[picardjean-luc]

Yup, I proposed a while back that his appearance might be the big cliff hanger at the end of S1. If they adopt a more Westworld-style, multi-season story arc, then the synth plot could easily be continued into S2.

And I have a feeling Dahj might be part of this plot too, although now she doesn't know about it. Hence in the trailer she was called "the end of all and the destroyer."

We'll see whether Picard and Co could turn her around before she becomes Lore 2.0...

 

[picardjean-luc]

heh ...

(especially since Stewart just went on National TV and invited Whoopie to come back for Season 2)

So Picard season 2 will have Guinan and the Doctor in it.

With Q and Guinan on board we just need to add Worf, Beverly and Wesley, and Ro Laren, and we"ll basically get TNG 2.0 even though the show runners vehemently insist 'Picard' will be a completely different series .

 

[picardjean-luc]

Yeah its not bad at all, still early days but they certainly got the feel right.

Although as many have said the camera work is excellent but the plot twists are a bit obvious for anyone that has seen similar shows like Battlestar Galactica.

I am especially suspicious of the two Romulan helpers on Picards farm, I dont think they mean him harm but they definitely have ulterior motives, I think they may have set Picard up with that reporter to force him into facing the past and moving forward, not to mention that they may have something to do with the dreams.

There is definitely a conspiracy going on but I got hints that there could be more than one, the attackers were very careful not to kill Dahj at the start yet at the end of the episode they supposedly kill her right in front of Picard (or did they), they were also very careful not to hit Picard when they had him dead to rights more than once.

A lot of the fight scenes with Dahj felt staged to me like a carefully choreographed play for Picards benefit.

We shall see.

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks this entire series is just imagined in Picard's head as he slowly succumbs to the effect of the Irumodic Syndrome

And when the series ended they will bring Riker and Troi back to explain the ending just like the 'Enterprise' series finale

 

[DaveyNY]

With Q and Guinan on board we just need to add Worf, Beverly and Wesley, and Ro Laren, and we"ll basically get TNG 2.0 even though the show runners vehemently insist 'Picard' will be a completely different series .

I don't get this line of thinking...
It IS a completely different show from The Next Generation.

Even though They are using many of the same characters, the shows premise is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

 

[SG-17]

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks this entire series is just imagined in Picard's head as he slowly succumbs to the effect of the Irumodic Syndrome

I'm honestly like 5% worried this is actually the case.

 

[DaveyNY]

I'm honestly like 5% worried this is actually the case.

So Trek's version of 'Bobby in the Shower'.

 

[Blooded]

Any differences?

No, exactly the same episode that I saw.

I think Discovery could learn a lot from "Remembrance".

Discovery is doing its own thing very well, and Picard appears to be doing great at its own thing, too.

I like dsc. I like pic. You really should give pic a chance. Pic being good takes nothing away from dsc.

Both are great

Also, if Seven shows up and they don’t tell us what happened to the Doctor after synthetics were outlawed, the script is incomplete.

The exact kind of unnecessary information they SHOULD NOT shoehorn into the scripts. Crikey.

No, it wouldn't be. Needless references to characters not appearing in the show or having any connection to its events are pointless and shouldn't happen.

Absolutely this. Would be the quickest way to kill the show.

In a lot of ways Dahj feels like Michael Burnham done right, which is why the reflexive youtubers decided they hated Picard before they even saw it. Brilliant young women with amazing combat skills who's undergoing horrible emotional trauma turning her world upside-down.

Except the writing - and Isa Briones - sell it 100%.

Isa is superb, as was the character of Dahj. Her and Burnham have zero similarities though, as characters. None.

I liked the accents on the Romulans. Though I was getting strong ‘oh, Picards married/shacked up with this one’ vibes. I mean...she knew he was talking in his sleep, and fixed his shirt collar.

She’s clearly one of his carers. Such a person would’ve checked in to see how he was sleeping.

 

[Ensign_Redshirt]

This show is officially a spin-off of TNG as opposed to other Trek series which were spin-offs of TOS. There are certainly reasons why this is the first show which is credited as "based upon Star Trek: The Next Generation created by Gene Roddenberry" in its title sequence. You may even consider it a sequel of sorts to TNG (although story-wise it seems to be a sequel to Nemesis and ST09 more than anything else). I wouldn't go as far as considering it "TNG's eighth season" though. It's just too different from TNG in that regard. And ultimately, I don't really care. I enjoyed watching the first episode and this is what counts.

 

[Phoenix219]

Did they just imply that if Data was still intact and alive, they could have built/grown/cloned him a human body??

 

[picardjean-luc]

So Trek's version of 'Bobby in the Shower'.

I'm afraid that is the case if the series finale features Riker and Troi coming out of the holodeck....

 

[Lt Johnny]

Amazing start to the new show! I'm looking to seeing the next episode.

 

[Paul Weaver]

Brilliant young women with amazing combat skills who's undergoing horrible emotional trauma turning her world upside-down.

 

[cooleddie74]

Data returning but as Brent Spiner in a human body would be mind-bending. I don't really think that's where they're going, but think about how that would fulfill Data's goals of becoming human and become the perfect bookend to his character's arc.

 

[BillJ]

Data returning but as Brent Spiner in a human body would be mind-bending. I don't really think that's where they're going, but think about how that would fulfill Data's goals of becoming human and become the perfect bookend to his character's arc.

Am I the only one that really wants Data to stay dead?

 

[picardjean-luc]

Did they just imply that if Data was still intact and alive, they could have built/grown/cloned him a human body??

That's what Dr Jurati seems to imply. Bruce Maddox theorizes that he could build an Army of Data-like androids with a single microchip taken from Data's memory - which was transferred to B4 just before Data was destroyed in 'Nemesis.'

So Maddox is basically like Noonien Soong 2.0 now - a scientist on the run from Starfleet who is trying to continue Data's legacy by building a Data-like android in hiding. And Dahj and her twin sister seems to be the end product of his experiment.

BTW in the intro poker game with Picard scene Data was holding five Queen of Hearts cards. Does this imply that there are five Dahj-type androids out there - two are known and three to be discovered later? I guess we'll soon find out...

 

[Lord Garth]

Am I the only one that really wants Data to stay dead?

No. I feel the same.

 

[1001001]

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That's exactly what I thought of at first.

Picard meets River Tam.



Anyway, I voted "Excellent". Well done!