What impact will the Dominion War have on Picard?

[Timo]

Which is pretty much nonsense. Anybody or anything "popular enough" can be an exception here. The writers may call in Spock or Section 31 or whatever, not being limited in the slightest by something being or not being TNG. They have no reason to be purist about this, no reason to assume any segment of the audience will prefer pure TNG over some mixture or another. And they have already demonstrated this clearly enough, by having Seven and the Abrams Armageddon of Romulus as key bits of their story.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Lord Garth]

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[WarpFactorZ]

And they have already demonstrated this clearly enough, by having Seven and the Abrams Armageddon of Romulus as key bits of their story.

I don't need to have seen ST'09 to understand that aspect of the plot. It can be explained in a few lines of dialog. They could well invoke Spock by explaining that he died trying to save Romulans too (makes sense since he was the Federation ambassador to Romulus). But throwing in small background characters from shows that likely had a much smaller viewing audience than TNG spreads things too thin.

 

[Timo]

Conversely, throwing in small background characters from within TNG isn't exactly helping, either. So any of the spinoffs is equally free game, as already shown.

Although of course even this doesn't hold water, as the small background character of Bruce Maddox has now been elevated into Senior Chief McGuffin status...

There simply are no limits, because limits would serve no marketing or storytelling purpose.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Blooded]

Although of course even this doesn't hold water, as the small background character of Bruce Maddox has now been elevated into Senior Chief McGuffin status...

I think that's more a case of, "we have this role in the story, which needs to be there, so do we go with a new character or is there someone in the canon that we can use that fans would appreciate?"

For me, that's how they should be doing it, too. Nothing forced about it. It's the forced ones that people keep asking for that I think would be problematic and ruin the flow of the show.

 

[The Wormhole]

Personally, I think it's a severe missed opportunity if they don't include Mrs. Carmichael. There's plenty of ways she can be inserted into the story organically and the fact we haven't heard anything about her at the moment reeks of revisionism and a desire to erase certain parts of TNG from public memory.
#bringbackmrscarmichael

 

[slappy]

Think about the question though.

"The Federation's 9/11"

Very USA-centric. What was 9/11 to people outside America? What was it to people outside NY? An event used to politicize and galvanize us into unnecessary wars. These events are what we make of them. The 2011 earthquake in Japan killed 10,000 people and uprooted 10 times more. Yet we refer to 9-11 as the be-all, end-all of events.

The Dominion War probably barely affected most people in the Federation because they were too enlightened to use it as a weapon. The destruction of Romulus could be a totally different story.

 

[Jayson1]

Personally, I think it's a severe missed opportunity if they don't include Mrs. Carmichael. There's plenty of ways she can be inserted into the story organically and the fact we haven't heard anything about her at the moment reeks of revisionism and a desire to erase certain parts of TNG from public memory.
#bringbackmrscarmichael

She didn't get her rent and was so upset she launched a full scale investigation into Mr Picard and his actors. Eventually she got Mark Twain to admit they are from the future at which point she created a underground society built on one goal. To last just long enough to get revenge someday for it's founder Mrs Carmichael in anyway possible. They survived the centuries even through 3 World Wars and a Eugenics War and frankly the other wars as well. They embed themselves in positions of power in every country on the planet. They bid their time even being the creators of Section 31. Finally with Picard nearing the end of his career and his life due to old age they knew it was time to finally act! They brought the Federation almost to it's knees breaking the dear Captain , ruining his reputation and self respect. When it was done they used a time portal they created so she could come visit the future for a short trip and take sight of her revenge, carried out. Satisfied she returned to her time and lived happily ever after.

Jason

 

[Alan Roi]

Think about the question though.

"The Federation's 9/11"

Very USA-centric. What was 9/11 to people outside America? What was it to people outside NY? An event used to politicize and galvanize us into unnecessary wars. These events are what we make of them. The 2011 earthquake in Japan killed 10,000 people and uprooted 10 times more. Yet we refer to 9-11 as the be-all, end-all of events.

The Dominion War probably barely affected most people in the Federation because they were too enlightened to use it as a weapon. The destruction of Romulus could be a totally different story.

Americans do this. They freak out when they are attacked and hold onto that freak out a long long time. Remember the attack on Pearl Harbor was known for decades as 'the day that shall forever live in infamy'.

 

[thribs]

Very little I imagine. Maybe the primer of starfleet becoming more militaristic, but I think the Borg did that.

 

[Crewman6]

Americans do this. They freak out when they are attacked and hold onto that freak out a long long time. Remember the attack on Pearl Harbor was known for decades as 'the day that shall forever live in infamy'.

Well, that's because that's what President Roosevelt called it at the time.

 

[Crewman6]

Think about the question though.

"The Federation's 9/11"

Very USA-centric. What was 9/11 to people outside America? What was it to people outside NY? An event used to politicize and galvanize us into unnecessary wars. These events are what we make of them. The 2011 earthquake in Japan killed 10,000 people and uprooted 10 times more. Yet we refer to 9-11 as the be-all, end-all of events.

The Dominion War probably barely affected most people in the Federation because they were too enlightened to use it as a weapon. The destruction of Romulus could be a totally different story.

Clearly 9/11 was exploited by politicians to horrible ends.

But what separates it from an earthquake isn't the number of lives lost but the fact that it was a deliberate act of mass murder, not just a random natural disaster. Regardless of what happened after, it was a fucking horrible, horrible event.

 

[Timo]

Of which the world has never had a particular shortage. 3,000 people dead in an air raid? Not too long ago, those things just made people turn the page...

What we observe in PIC is still the Federation viewpoint, though. It doesn't matter whether the UFP's many disasters are "seen in proper perspective" or not: for the UFP, what matters, matters.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Noname Given]

Think about the question though.

"The Federation's 9/11"

Very USA-centric. What was 9/11 to people outside America? What was it to people outside NY? An event used to politicize and galvanize us into unnecessary wars. These events are what we make of them. The 2011 earthquake in Japan killed 10,000 people and uprooted 10 times more. Yet we refer to 9-11 as the be-all, end-all of events.

The Dominion War probably barely affected most people in the Federation because they were too enlightened to use it as a weapon. The destruction of Romulus could be a totally different story.

Since the show is primarily made for CBSAA which is designed to appeal to people on the U.S., IDK why you would expect it not to be more U.S. centric with it's story and themes.

Yes they make deals and distribute it outside the U.S. - but for CBSAA it's primary audience is the U.S.

Doctor Who is the same way. Yes they distribute it worldwide, but its primary audience is in the U.K. so it's stories deal a lot with British themes and issues.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

But to be fair, we don't know if the Enterprise-E really wasn't involved in at least some of the battles.

In the Novelverse the E played a big role in the liberation of Betazed.

I'm pretty content with the idea that Picard was mostly flexing his diplomatic skills during the Dominion war rather than leading battles, and that he'd prefer that over a fight. Willing to bet the most he lost out of the Dominion war was losing an old friend or two. It won't be the thing that gives him cold sweats at night.

 

[Anna Yolei]

I think that's more a case of, "we have this role in the story, which needs to be there, so do we go with a new character or is there someone in the canon that we can use that fans would appreciate?"

For me, that's how they should be doing it, too. Nothing forced about it. It's the forced ones that people keep asking for that I think would be problematic and ruin the flow of the show.

I didn't know Bruce Maddox was a character from some other part of Trek until this thread...which is exactly how it should be. Doesn't take me as a n00b outta the moment and it moves the plot along.

Americans do this. They freak out when they are attacked and hold onto that freak out a long long time. Remember the attack on Pearl Harbor was known for decades as 'the day that shall forever live in infamy'.

While this is not unique to us, we hold onto more because this isn't the status quo. And by that, I mean with the sole exception of the Civil War, we've never felt the affects of war in our immediate lives or been in any danger of daily bombings.

 

[Noname Given]

Americans do this. They freak out when they are attacked and hold onto that freak out a long long time. Remember the attack on Pearl Harbor was known for decades as 'the day that shall forever live in infamy'.

Um..how does that British Nursery Rhyme go again...oh yeah:

Remember, remember, the Fifth of November
Gunpowder treason and plot
I see no reason why gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot

^^^
How many centuries ago was that? 4 (aka 400 years or so...)

 

[The Old Mixer]

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[Brainsucker]

This is something I have been thinking about. The way they have been talking about the synch attack as the Federations 9/11 it made me think. Wouldn't the Federation already had it's 9/11 when the Dominion War happened. Is the body count going to be so much hugher in this recent threat to the Federation that it exceeds all the bad things that happened in the Dominion War?

I know the Federation has been in a few wars over time and while the Dominion War didn't last long. Only 2 years from what I understand the damage was pretty bad especially for something that only happened in 2 years. Earth was even attacked by the Breen. Betazoid was occupied and I think other planets were also taken over.

One difference I do see though and maybe this is the difference is you were left with a Dominion/Jem Haddar issue afterwords. The all returned to the Gamma Quadrant so it wasn't like you had rogue Jem Haddar out their. Carddissia was in ruins. Klingons were in no place to wage war. I suppose the Breen were still a concern and so would the Romulans but of course they would not be one after Nemesis. How many years was their between the end of the Dominion War and this new 9/11?
Jason

Maybe it is the same as Vietnam War, 1st Gulf War and 9/11 to American. The most recent event always matter more than the old one.

 

[DS9forever]

I would be happy if the DW was only mentioned in passing; like a reference to the Romulans and the Federation being allies at the time. I remember Sloan mentioning in a late DS9 episode that only the Federation and the Romulans would come out of the war relatively unscathed, compared to the Cardassians and the Klingons.