Spoilers Batwoman - Season 1

[DEWLine]

And all those "selfies" published by various people at the train yard, Gotham Prep and so on...

 

[Avalon]

So MCU existing in the Arrowverse evidently survived the Crisis

Mary should have a chat with Barry on account of the whole father wrongfully imprisoned for murdering mother thing and also because he's good at this sort of thing, and also because he's a CSI who could have a look see at the case, and also have there been any shapeshifters on The Flash and also if Martian Manhunter's now a part of this Earth wouldn't the public be aware of people with shapeshifting abilities to just dismiss Mary's claims out of hand and I've gone on overthought the whole thing, haven't I?

Yeah, that occurred to me too when the doctor dismissed human-skin masks as "science fiction." The world he lives on has both aliens and metahumans as familiar presences now, so something like Mission: Impossible masks should barely set off the weirdness meter.
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I know it's cheating in a way, but the doctor was played by Sebastian Roche, so I figure the doctor had a vested interest in brushing Mary off, and it's not the last we'll be seeing of him...

 

[Christopher]

I recently read some Superman stories just before the reboot, and the people of the Daily Planet were really his friends. Perry White, for example, was having problems with his wife and confiding in him. But in the meantime they were also friends with Clark Kent! So he constantly lied and endangered people who had placed their trust in him (in both his personas).

Yeah, this is Truth, Justice, and the American Way for you.

Right now in the comics, so I gather, they're doing a storyline where Superman chooses to out himself to his friends and the world as Clark Kent. He realized he shouldn't keep hiding the truth, and he told his closest friends one by one, then announced it to the world. This just happened, so we haven't seen much of the fallout yet. (He did get fired from the Planet for reporting under false pretenses, though it was only a token gesture, since he was immediately rehired.)

Speaking of which, am I the only person who gets annoyed when modern TV shows expect us to be able read people's text messages when the characters glance at them on TV. I always have to rewind, pause, then get up from the couch and go squint at the TV from a few inches away--just to get a vital plot point.

I think today's shows are made for younger eyes than ours.

Some shows have texts pop up in bubbles on screen, which are easier to read, IMHO.

I think that was pioneered by Sherlock. It's possibly the best thing to come out of that show, and I'm glad it's caught on elsewhere.

I know it's cheating in a way, but the doctor was played by Sebastian Roche, so I figure the doctor had a vested interest in brushing Mary off, and it's not the last we'll be seeing of him...

It's actually the second time we've seen him. His character Dr. Campbell was in the last pre-Crisis episode back in December. He was the guy who presented Catherine with her humanitarian award shortly before she was murdered.

But yeah, I forgot that at the time, and the moment I saw Roche appear, my first thought was "Yeah, he's the villain." And then he wasn't.

 

[DEWLine]

I think today's shows are made for bigger, higher-resolution screens than many of us currently own or have access to, as well.

 

[Skipper]

Right now in the comics, so I gather, they're doing a storyline where Superman chooses to out himself to his friends and the world as Clark Kent. He realized he shouldn't keep hiding the truth, and he told his closest friends one by one, then announced it to the world. This just happened, so we haven't seen much of the fallout yet. (He did get fired from the Planet for reporting under false pretenses, though it was only a token gesture, since he was immediately rehired.)

In almost every his post-crisis incarnation (comics, cartoons, movies, tv shows) he almost always reveals his secret identity at least to Lois Lane.

I think every modern author is uncomfortable with the whole love triangle story...

 

[DEWLine]

And rightly so.

 

[dahj]

Oh, not to mention that Lena introduced image inducers a couple of years ago, so anyone on Earth-Prime should be able to buy a holographic face-changing gizmo.

Totally forgot about those! Yeah, the widespread disbelief makes no sense.

Speaking of which, am I the only person who gets annoyed when modern TV shows expect us to be able read people's text messages when the characters glance at them on TV. I always have to rewind, pause, then get up from the couch and go squint at the TV from a few inches away--just to get a vital plot point.

Someone should make an app for when a character on a TV show gets a message that same message pops up on the viewer's phone so one can read it in peace.

I think today's shows are made for bigger, higher-resolution screens than many of us currently own or have access to, as well.

Mildly ironic, considering more and more people these days watch TV on their phones.

 

[The Realist]

It pains me to contemplate watching TV or movies on a frigging phone or tablet or laptop, or anything that is not a proper size and quality to let you appreciate details of the image and immerse yourself in the world of the show/film.

But, I'm old.

 

[Reverend]

Mary should have a chat with Barry on account of the whole father wrongfully imprisoned for murdering mother thing and also because he's good at this sort of thing, and also because he's a CSI who could have a look see at the case, and also have there been any shapeshifters on The Flash and also if Martian Manhunter's now a part of this Earth wouldn't the public be aware of people with shapeshifting abilities to just dismiss Mary's claims out of hand and I've gone on overthought the whole thing, haven't I?

My first thought was actually "wasn't Clayface already established in Elseworlds"?
Though I suppose the argument here hinges on a HUMAN perfectly impersonating another; not a shape-shifting alien or a meta-human. Which does seem like an unreasonably difficult feat.

Thanks for posting that cover. I missed that the story was by Kara when it flashed up briefly on our TV screen.

I know it a small thing and more than a little obvious, but I like how elegant this solution is, because 1) who else in the press would Kate trust and 2) it doesn't even look suspicious since Kara has also "interviewed" Supergirl before now.
Also it's a really neat way to illustrate that this really is all just one world now. Indeed, I wouldn't be shocked to see a random 'News 52' ticker in one of the other shows mention the ongoing military quarantine of Freeland.

 

[dahj]

2) it doesn't even look suspicious since Kara has also "interviewed" Supergirl before now.

And Dreamer.

 

[Christopher]

In almost every his post-crisis incarnation (comics, cartoons, movies, tv shows) he almost always reveals his secret identity at least to Lois Lane.

Well, eventually, usually after several years and after they've been an item for a while. Although Lois knowing has been the status quo in the comics for so long that more recent versions just skip right past her not knowing -- DCEU Lois knew from the start, and we don't meet Arrowverse Lois until she's already known for years.

I think every modern author is uncomfortable with the whole love triangle story...

And rightly so.

Yeah, constantly lying to a loved one is kind of gaslighty.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Ah, a stunt reference and much like stunt cameos, it does not mean a Marvel character or a Marvel universe exists in this world. Its just a one-off, fun reference. Nothing more.

Why would anyone think otherwise....oh, wait I forgot where I was.

 

[David cgc]

Speaking of younger eyes, the article on Batwoman is only barely illegible. I might be able to figure it out with a lot of time, squinting, and educated guesses (it turns out those studies about recognizing words by the shape of the whole unit not each individual letter are on the money), but I just googled the easiest sentences to make out to see if anyone else had already. Doesn't look like it, and it already started to give me a headache.

It's not lorem ipsum or anything, but I can't make out anything specific to Batwoman, so it's probably a generic CatCo article that they wrote up years ago to use as dummy body text on prop magazines and computer screens that wouldn't immediately seem fake if part of it was legible in HD. The opening is very "Libya is a land of contrasts;" "There are many different things that bring people to National City. They [xxxx] the opportunities they can't find anywhere else, such as our world-famous [Xxxx Xxxxxx], or the National City Financial District."

It goes on like that. As far as I can tell. Again, headache.

 

[Skipper]

Well, eventually, usually after several years and after they've been an item for a while. Although Lois knowing has been the status quo in the comics for so long that more recent versions just skip right past her not knowing -- DCEU Lois knew from the start, and we don't meet Arrowverse Lois until she's already known for years.

Yeah, constantly lying to a loved one is kind of gaslighty.

I has checked when finally Clark revealed his secret to Lois in the comics and it happened in Action Comics #662 (February 1991). So, for 52 years, the triangle was the status quo for the character. I still remember when this was considered integral to Superman lore and changing it was unthinkable. Whenever Lois Lane discovered Clark Kent's secret, we knew something would happen that would bring everything back to the previous situation.

Probably the first time where someone really criticized PreCrisis Superman for his indecision was in Dc Comics Presents Annual #1 (written by Wolfman!) where Kal-L of Earth-2 (who had already married his Lois) scolded his counterpart from Earth-1....



And this is the last page of the story (errr, spoiler?) which ends with a melancholic note for our hero...

 

[Christopher]

It's not lorem ipsum or anything, but I can't make out anything specific to Batwoman, so it's probably a generic CatCo article that they wrote up years ago to use as dummy body text on prop magazines and computer screens that wouldn't immediately seem fake if part of it was legible in HD. The opening is very "Libya is a land of contrasts;" "There are many different things that bring people to National City. They [xxxx] the opportunities they can't find anywhere else, such as our world-famous [Xxxx Xxxxxx], or the National City Financial District."

I think I recognize that text. It was the voiceover to the ending montage in some episode where Kara wrote a big, important article, perhaps her first one. They probably took the text page they fashioned for that montage of people reading Kara's article and reused it here.

 

[Caretaker]

Thanks for posting that cover. I missed that the story was by Kara when it flashed up briefly on our TV screen.

Speaking of which, am I the only person who gets annoyed when modern TV shows expect us to be able read people's text messages when the characters glance at them on TV. I always have to rewind, pause, then get up from the couch and go squint at the TV from a few inches away--just to get a vital plot point.

I get that people communicate by text these days--and may even text important messages to each other, but do shows have to assume that we can read some tiny little letters on the screen while looking over the character's shoulders? And I have a reasonably big screen at home. How on earth are you supposed to follow the plot if you're watching an ep on your phone or laptop or something?

Some shows have texts pop up in bubbles on screen, which are easier to read, IMHO.

Anyway, end of rant, although I find this is very much a staple of CW shows in particular. (Looking at you, RIVERDALE, NANCY DREW, etc.)

Jane the Virgin did the Sherlock/Pop-Up Video text message bubbles onscreen pretty well - and usually long enough and clear enough to read.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I thoroughly enjoyed "How Queer Everything Is Today!"

The two most annoying parts were the sloppy fight in the locker room area and that I didn't believe that Batwoman's line could stop the train. Third place for something annoying was that Parker's stunt was really extreme.

But the primary conflict about coming out shared by Kate and Parker moved me. Also, I loved the twist ending.

 

[Guy Gardener]

the primary conflict about coming shared by Kate and Parker moved me. Also, I loved the twist ending.

You missed a word.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

You missed a word.

Thanks.

 

[DEWLine]

So that rescue sequence at the trainyard let the VIA Rail logo slip into view for a few moments. Granted that they have connections with Amtrak that get their passengers to select US cities (Seattle, Chicago, Detroit, Buffalo)...but all the way to Gotham?

Maybe VIA, Berlanti Productions and WB might want to have some joint promotional fun working that out?