Gotham sure looks a lot like Chicago. Are we sure that there is a Chicago and not a Gotham on the new combined world?
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Earth-1 has both Gotham City and Chicago (mentioned in Arrow and seen in Constantine and Legends). Presumably they exist as separate cities on Earth-Prime too.
And sure, they look alike, but then, Star City, Central City, Metropolis, and large portions of National City all look equally like Vancouver...
I'm so confused. So, where is Gotham now, and for that matter, where are any of the Earth-Prime cities? We need a new map.
Star and National are on the West Coast. Central is in the Midwest*. Gotham and Metropolis are East Coast. Freeland is in the South.
*Though I think there may have been some references to a ocean, so maybe not.
Traditionally, Gotham City is presumed to be on the East Coast. After all, it's always been a surrogate New York City; it's literally named for one of NYC's historical nicknames. It wasn't until The Dark Knight just 11 1/2 years ago that it was first associated with Chicago in any way, and only because it was a filming location.
The Atlas of the DC Universe in the '90s put Gotham City along the New Jersey coast of Delaware Bay, with Metropolis across the bay on the Delaware side.
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-real-life-equivalents-of-Gotham-City-Metropolis-Central-City-etc
Conversely, in the world of the animated Young Justice, Gotham is just east of Bridgeport, Connecticut:
https://youngjustice.fandom.com/wiki/File:Gotham_Map.png
Sigh, I guess I want precision and must be unsatisfied that I won't get it. It would so easy just to swap out our real cities with the fictional cities based on their appearances:
National City = Los Angeles
Gotham City = Chicago
Star City (Starling City) = Vancouver (but in the USA)
Central City = San Francisco
Freeland City = Atlanta
Metropolis = New York City
Detroit = Detroit (being born and raised in Detroit, I understand why the CW doesn't want it.
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IRL, there's a Gulf down south....
Isn't that called Seattle?
(also it's where the Green Arrow actually hung out in several comics runs)
Doesn't work that way, though. Sometimes more than one real city is used to represent a fictional city in the same production. Nolan's Gotham in the first two films was a mix of Chicago and London locations, while in The Dark Knight Rises it was a mix of LA, New York, Pittsburgh, and London. National City since season 2 has been a mix of Vancouver locations and LA establishing shots, just as Batman '66 was a mix of LA locations/studio backlots and New York City establishing shots. So they aren't supposed to be literal doubles of the cities they're filmed in.
National City = Los Angeles
Gotham = Chicago
Star City (Starling City) = Vancouver (but in the USA)
Central City = San Francisco
Freeland City = Atlanta
Metropolis = New York City
Detroit = Detroit (being born and raised in Detroit, I understand why the CW doesn't want it.
Vixen was set in Detroit. (Indeed, a staggering number of Arrowverse characters were members of the infamous Justice League Detroit in the comics, including Martian Manhunter, Elongated Man, Vixen, Vibe, Gypsy, and Steel. The only JL Detroit members not yet seen in the Arrowverse are Aquaman and Zatanna.)
Also, with the exception of National City and Freeland, every one of the real and fictional cities you listed coexisted on Earth-1. Vancouver and San Francisco were name-dropped in Arrow, and LA, Chicago, Atlanta, and NYC were all visited in Legends, Constantine, or both.
I think these are all pre-Crisis references. Maybe things changed post-Crisis and like the rest of the world's citizens, we just don't know it.
If they add several new cities to the USA, then maybe they need to remove a few of the old ones. Sort of a conservation of matter or something like that.
Does that make Keystone Oakland?
What do they use for the flyovers for Central City? I thought it might be Nashville or something. It's smaller and there's a river. But I have no idea what it is.
Man, that grappling hook is pretty damned effective at stopping a runaway subway car!
Looks like Portland, OR. I stand corrected that Central City could be SF.
The engine was off.
Momentum yes, acceleration no.
So the train was slowing down regardless.
Science!
So far, all of the CW cities still exist, while everything else is supposed to be altered in some way (conveniently enough).If they really wanted a bigger mess, they would suggest their characters all live in some new, merged city, or that they have been transformed into neighboring cities.
During a Justice League/Avengers crossover in the comics many years ago, it was cheekily suggested that DC Earth was actually slightly larger than Marvel Earth to accommodate all those extra cities. Really!
And let be noted that SMALLVILLE placed Metropolis in Kansas, only a few hours drive from Smallville, so this stuff tends to be variable.
In some comics and shows, Metropolis and Gotham are practically next-door to each other, yet I still remember one issue in which it was night-time in Gotham (so Batman could prowl the nocturnal city) at the same time that Superman was flying through a clear blue sky in Metropolis, so, wait, they were in different time zones?
(What was really happening, of course, is that the artist instinctively drew Batman operating after dark and Superman in bright daylight because setting the right mood was more important than worrying about time zones.)
And let be noted that SMALLVILLE placed Metropolis in Kansas, only a few hours drive from Smallville, so this stuff tends to be variable.
In some comics and shows, Metropolis and Gotham are practically next-door to each other, yet I still remember one issue in which it was night-time in Gotham (so Batman could prowl the nocturnal city) at the same time that Superman was flying through a clear blue sky in Metropolis, so, wait, they were in different time zones?
(What was really happening, of course, is that the artist instinctively drew Batman operating after dark and Superman in bright daylight because setting the right mood was more important than worrying about time zones.)
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