What impact will the Dominion War have on Picard?

[Timo]

I guess it's two different definitions of "thread":

1) Something interesting that fictionally happened
2) Something, interesting or not, that fictionally happened and then was followed on (perhaps by a wholly different writer, even) at least once

, both of these preferably without a blatant concluding act that slams all the storytelling doors shut, melts the keys and then piles radioactive dirt in front of the doors.

Nothing ever followed from "In the Pale Moonlight". Nothing ever followed from Shinzon killing the Senate. And, until now, nothing followed from Romulus blowing up.

But suddenly the last one at least is a bona fide story thread. And it really takes very little: suddenly, "Measure of a Man" is a story thread, too, even though that particular story did conclude, slam all the doors, melt all the keys and the let dirt pile up at least fifteen seasons high.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Jayson1]

To be fair and this is from someone who would love to see some DS9 elements or stories touched on in some way, we do have the passage of time between the last time we saw Picard to help cover over some of the major issues from the past shows and movies. My biggest worry from my perspective is I just don't want them to undermine DS9 in some fashion and pretend the Dominion War never happened. I really worry that since the show is basically the cult hit of the franchise it would be so easy for new people in charge to sort of treat the show as if it's not part of the canon. Also as a fan it does bug me a little that we saw the EMH in "First Contact" and Janeway in "Nemesis" and now "Seven" in this and part of me is thinking, how about giving us a little DS9 love. I don't think any DS9 created character has ever appeared in any of the other shows and movies except Quark in a cameo on TNG and Worf and Worf doesn't count. Okay you had Quark again and Gul Evek in the "Voyager" pilot. and that's been it.


Jason

 

[Amasov]

We've seen it referenced in both Insurrection and Nemesis and it doesn't seem to have any profound impact on him whatsoever. After all, that wasn't "his" war.

 

[The Overlord]

I guess it's two different definitions of "thread":

1) Something interesting that fictionally happened
2) Something, interesting or not, that fictionally happened and then was followed on (perhaps by a wholly different writer, even) at least once

, both of these preferably without a blatant concluding act that slams all the storytelling doors shut, melts the keys and then piles radioactive dirt in front of the doors.

Nothing ever followed from "In the Pale Moonlight". Nothing ever followed from Shinzon killing the Senate. And, until now, nothing followed from Romulus blowing up.

But suddenly the last one at least is a bona fide story thread. And it really takes very little: suddenly, "Measure of a Man" is a story thread, too, even though that particular story did conclude, slam all the doors, melt all the keys and the let dirt pile up at least fifteen seasons high.

Timo Saloniemi

Really no door is ever truly shut and no key is buried, writers can open these doors at will, but some doors are easier to open than others. I just think some issues are pressing than others, I think the Romulan stuff would be more important than Cardassia or the Dominion War now, Cardassia was devastated at the end of the war, but they still have a home and have little reason to resent the Federation at this point, the Cardassian Union will mostly be defanged at this point and the Dominion likely is just staying in their side of the galaxy. But the Romulans have lost their home and become a nomadic people, the destruction of their planet has caused a refugee crisis. You have some Romulans who support the Unification movement and may even think that the Romulans should join the federation and you have hardliners from the military who would still see the Federation as their enemy and the Federation has a giant skeleton in the closet regarding tricking the Romulan Empire into the Dominion War.

I think at this point, the Romulan refugee crisis would be more important to the Federation than the Dominion war, the Dominion War is in the past and the Dominion is likely keeping away from the Federation, the Romulan refugee crisis is something that would have lasting effects for decades and would still be felt by the Federation now.

 

[Jayson1]

Of course if Romulans are refugee's that means in theory they should be affecting many planets as they look for homes, maybe going to places like Carddisia and asking if they can live their. Of course the Federation has over 100 worlds in it so what does isolated mean exactly to something that is so huge and expansive by nature. Are they not allowed into Federation space I wonder even after Romulus exploded and that is the issue that made Picard angry at Starfleet. Perhaps he helped find some Romulans a home and this somehow was taken advantage of by the synth's in part of their attacks. Picard did the right thing but just doing the right thing doesn't mean it can't backfire on you.


Jason

 

[Lord Garth]

Except for on Cardassia, the Dominion War shouldn't have any impact in 2399. The war ended in 2375. The Galaxy has moved on. If this were set in the late-2370s or early-2380s, that would be different. As it is, too much time has passed.

To the producers of STP, the Dominion was a DS9 thing. Not a TNG thing. So I doubt we’ll hear about it.

Gets right to the point.

 

[The Wormhole]

I wonder whether Wolf 359 even really made the news. Earth gets threatened by horrible enemies every other week; the Borg failed in their attack. Sure, they killed a lot of people in uniform, but those get killed en masse every other week, too.

Were civilians killed in the attack? After Jouret (whoever heard of that place?), the Borg fought at Wolf 359, Jupiter and Mars at least, and probably also at Saturn which they were shown passing. But they would probably have fought Starfleet there. There's no evidence they did anything at Earth, despite supposedly reaching orbit several minutes before our heroes joined them. Neither this Borg attack nor the ST:FC one need have shocked the public much, then.

Timo Saloniemi

According to DS9 the events of TBOBW was the first time in the entire 24th century a State of Emergency was declared on Earth. Pretty sure that would have made the news and gotten a reaction from the public.

 

[The Overlord]

Of course if Romulans are refugee's that means in theory they should be affecting many planets as they look for homes, maybe going to places like Carddisia and asking if they can live their. Of course the Federation has over 100 worlds in it so what does isolated mean exactly to something that is so huge and expansive by nature. Are they not allowed into Federation space I wonder even after Romulus exploded and that is the issue that made Picard angry at Starfleet. Perhaps he helped find some Romulans a home and this somehow was taken advantage of by the synth's in part of their attacks. Picard did the right thing but just doing the right thing doesn't mean it can't backfire on you.


Jason

I am not sure many Romulans would want to settle on Cardassia, Cardassia has been devastated by the Dominion War and the Cardassians have a reputation for being xenophobic. I assume most in the Unification movement would want to move to Vulcan, so that would have a long wait to settle there and that would reawaken xenophobic elements on Vulcan.

 

[Timo]

According to DS9 the events of TBOBW was the first time in the entire 24th century a State of Emergency was declared on Earth. Pretty sure that would have made the news and gotten a reaction from the public.

True enough. Although to be sure, the President in "Homefront" seems to feel the SoE declaration will do no good. How many previous leaders in the 24th century felt the same about their respective Armageddons?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Vger23]

I'm not sure that I have a need for everything that happened in the TNG era to tie-in to what's going to happen in this new show

 

[The Wormhole]

I am not sure many Romulans would want to settle on Cardassia, Cardassia has been devastated by the Dominion War and the Cardassians have a reputation for being xenophobic.

Presumably the Federation has worked to restore Cardassia in the two decades since the Dominion War ended. Meanwhile, the dramatic population decrease means there's room on Cardassia for Romulan refugees and not as many xenophobic bigots to complain about them.

 

[Noname Given]

None - in fact I doubt it will be mentioned.

Hell - in TNG's run, SUPPOSEDLY the Federation/Cardassian War was still hot and raging during TNG's first 3 seasons. Per TNG S4 - "The Wounded"; the Federation/Cardassian was practically just signed...yet we (the audience) knew/heard NOTHING about it for Seasons 1 - 3.

They're not going to comment on every past situation. This is supposedly a very focused story told over 10 episodes and 8 or so actual hours. They're not going to mention stuff from DS9 or VOY or any other previous Star Trek series or film UNLESS it directly relates to this one story they're telling (which is why we have 7 of 9 in it.)

 

[The Overlord]

Presumably the Federation has worked to restore Cardassia in the two decades since the Dominion War ended. Meanwhile, the dramatic population decrease means there's room on Cardassia for Romulan refugees and not as many xenophobic bigots to complain about them.

I still doubt a resource-poor planet that suffered a devastating event in the recent past, would be a popular spot for Romulans to immigrate to. Not that it matters, its confirmed that the Cardassians will not show up in season 1.

None - in fact I doubt it will be mentioned.

Hell - in TNG's run, SUPPOSEDLY the Federation/Cardassian War was still hot and raging during TNG's first 3 seasons. Per TNG S4 - "The Wounded"; the Federation/Cardassian was practically just signed...yet we (the audience) knew/heard NOTHING about it for Seasons 1 - 3.

They're not going to comment on every past situation. This is supposedly a very focused story told over 10 episodes and 8 or so actual hours. They're not going to mention stuff from DS9 or VOY or any other previous Star Trek series or film UNLESS it directly relates to this one story they're telling (which is why we have 7 of 9 in it.)

I am fine with that, personally, I do not need every plot thread from the TNG era shows to be revisited, between the Romulans, the Borg, and the Synths, that is a lot for season 1. A tightly paced story is more important than fan service, IMO.

 

[Vger23]

I still doubt a resource-poor planet that suffered a devastating event in the recent past, would be a popular spot for Romulans to immigrate to. Not that it matters, its confirmed that the Cardassians will not show up in season 1.



I am fine with that, personally, I do not need every plot thread from the TNG era shows to be revisited, between the Romulans, the Borg, and the Synths, that is a lot for season 1. A tightly paced story is more important than fan service, IMO.

You can bet that there will be a LOT of TNG fans, though, who will find it an absolute attack on the sanctity of the franchise if there isn't at least some mention of Nurse Ogawa and an entire episode on what became of Mrs. Apgar.

 

[Jayson1]

You know it makes me wonder also if we might get a Bajoran mention. As a people who also had a refuge situation it would be worth noting. Heck I would settle just knowing if Bajor is finally a Federation world. Also we must see a picture of Picard's Aunt Adele or the show will be ruined.


Jason

 

[picardjean-luc]

You know it makes me wonder also if we might get a Bajoran mention. As a people who also had a refuge situation it would be worth noting. Heck I would settle just knowing if Bajor is finally a Federation world. Also we must see a picture of Picard's Aunt Adele or the show will be ruined.
Jason

I'd like to hear update about Bajor, about Kira Nerys' whereabouts (is she still DS9 commander or has she move on to become a Bajoran leader), and about Ro Laren's fate - whether she survives the massacre against the Maquis and is still roaming somewhere around the galaxy.

Also curious about Dax's whereabouts, although it is rumored that

Spoiler

'Discovery' season 3 will feature a new Dax host from the 31st century and will feature a flashback scene starring Nicole de Boer (Ezri Dax) as the new Dax host tells stories of events Burhnam & Co have missed for the past 800 years

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Mrs. Apgar.

mrs. who?

 

[Timo]

What do you mean, who? The future of the entire galaxy must depend on what she found in the desk drawer of her late husband!

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Vger23]

mrs. who?

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[WarpFactorZ]

To the producers of STP, the Dominion was a DS9 thing. Not a TNG thing. So I doubt we’ll hear about it.

Agreed. As I mentioned in another thread, the requisite background for Picard is just TNG. Nothing from DS9, VOY, or ENT will be relevant, with the one exception being 7 of 9 -- and that's only because the character is popular enough that those who didn't watch VOY generally know who she is.