I like them. They're a great callback to the GEN/DS9 Seasons 1-5/VOY uniforms with a nod or two to the future alternate timeline uniforms. They're vastly superior to what DSC gave us in any evaluation.
Poll What do you think of the Starfleet uniforms in Star Trek: Picard?
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i'm intrigued by the glimpses of the admiral's uniform in the trailer:
a kind of first contact/TNG hybrid with dark shoulders and pants, gray midsection, and division color collar or undershirt. it looks different enough to be interesting.
but given how textured and cool the civilian clothing is in the show, i'm a little dismayed by the DS9/voyager uniform retread that appears to be the standard duty uniform. i also do not like that the combadge is a modified AGT insignia.
Nice monochrome look. Black and grey goes together nicely.
I think what we've seen is Star Trek become un-rebooted in slow-motion.
2009 --> Visual Reboot, Story Reboot
2017 --> Visual Reboot, Story Un-Reboot
2020 --> Visual Un-Reboot, Story Un-Reboot
The differences between TNG and PIC aren't any different from the differences between TOS and TFF/TUC.
I'd line them up visually this way:
TOS :: TNG
Phase II :: GEN
TMP-TVH :: FC-NEM
TFF-TUC :: PIC
Phase II would've just been modified-looking TOS with a traces of where things would go in TMP. GEN is modified-looking TNG with traces of where things would go in FC.
TFF and TUC had visual influences from the then-new TNG. PIC has visual influences from DSC.
2009 --> Visual Reboot, Story Reboot
2017 --> Visual Reboot, Story Un-Reboot
2020 --> Visual Un-Reboot, Story Un-Reboot
The differences between TNG and PIC aren't any different from the differences between TOS and TFF/TUC.
I'd line them up visually this way:
TOS :: TNG
Phase II :: GEN
TMP-TVH :: FC-NEM
TFF-TUC :: PIC
Phase II would've just been modified-looking TOS with a traces of where things would go in TMP. GEN is modified-looking TNG with traces of where things would go in FC.
TFF and TUC had visual influences from the then-new TNG. PIC has visual influences from DSC.
this is the best description of this phenomenon, thank you.
i know i'm in the minority on this one, but it just stinks of fear to me. whereas enterprise eased back into its star trek roots as the producers became more confident in their setting and storytelling, this feels like the opposite. like the producers think the loud complaining about discovery was about the uniforms and not about the content of the show itself, however founded or unfounded they may be.
Well, if you're in the minority then I'm there with you. As much as I have enjoyed DSC there is definitely a feeling of hesitation and uncertainty that comes with it. And the backlash against Abrams Trek and then against DSC and the announcement of Section 31 doesn't appear to have gone unnoticed. Which makes them very afraid. Largely because there is a lot of money on the line that makes it a bit of a risk. And that brings fear with it.
Good.
Anyway. I'm not sold on the new uniforms. Picard's admiral uniform looked like sportswear with all those stripes and the other uniforms look baggy an ill fitting. As much as I disliked the Disco uniforms, the tailoring on them was excellent, they fit really well; these seem not to.
But I have to reserve the final judgement until I see them properly. And regardless, as this show is not about Starfleet, the uniforms are not so important anyway.
Fear is not the best teacher. In the long run they will become more safe, take less risks, and ultimately Trek will languish under the shadow of its own supposed greatness.
It is a balancing act. When adding to an existing franchise one needs to be mindful of what the fans expect and what were the reasons people liked the original thing in the first place. Changing things willy-nilly and adding element that do not seem to belong can sour old fans and that is unwise, as ultimately the whole point of using an existing franchise instead of doing something completely new is to leverage the good will associated with said franchise.
Whilst the production design really doesn't rank very high on my list of Discovery criticism, they definitely lost some good will by making completely unnecessary changes.
I agree that it is a balancing act.
Unfortunately, observing Hollywood, it will not be balanced response. They will react in fear and freeze themselves to one particular design aesthetic, unwilling to move past it. As much as I would not have made the design choices for DSC I certainly welcome the change. As I said prior, Star Trek is so scared of moving forward that eventually it will just fizzle out. And, that kind of misses the whole point of Star Trek, to my mind.
Maybe for the DSC unis, there was some sort of AI doing the sizing. Then, no more AI and nobody learned how to be a tailor except some Cardassian a hundred years later....
These?
Doesn't seem like a lot of effort was put into them.
I might as well say it now, just to get it out of the way. I like the DSC Uniforms better than the PIC Uniforms. These uniforms, like I said, they get the job done and that's about it. I hope this is just a really unflattering pic.
I'm personally not jazzed by them, but supposedly we don't see much of them, so it's not really a big deal. I think my biggest concern with them is while they seem to be a visual nod to the DS9/VOY jumpsuit, they are inconsistent with the design progression seen in Lower Decks and then Countdown/Children of Mars.
I'm pretty sure Lower Decks is the odd-man out in terms of its uniform design. It borrows heavily from a previous animated project that never got off the ground.
If one ignores Lower Decks, there's a pretty clear progression away from the Dominion War uniforms to the Picard uniforms, with Admiral Picard's uniform being a transitory one. There's ~20 years between Children of Mars and Picard.
If one ignores Lower Decks, there's a pretty clear progression away from the Dominion War uniforms to the Picard uniforms, with Admiral Picard's uniform being a transitory one. There's ~20 years between Children of Mars and Picard.
Not in mine. The Disco uniforms are extremely figure-flattering (and thus disastrous on anyone who doesn't gym regularly) and IMO quite smart.
I think if I'd been the one calling the shots I would probably have gone for the AGT badge, but thats because I rather liked that style especially paired with a First Contact uniform in Timeless.
Now clear images of it have come out I have to say I quite like it.
i think they're figure flattering on women, but the men look silly to me. jason isaacs looked especially uncomfortable and the guys have no ass in those trousers (sorry). that being said, at least gersha phillips' uniforms are highly stylized and detailed... these new picard uniforms look about as simple as the 90s costumes did. good for nostalgia, but costume design has moved on from that.
I don't think it was of importance to the series which is why it looks that way; I'm thinking these designs show the series maybe moving away from Starfleet.
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