Spoilers Picard Prequel "Children of Mars"

[eschaton]

i was pretty irked by the appearance of these ships and the shuttlecraft (they went through the effort to modify it, they could've gone a little further), but my assumption was basically the point you're making. also if you look at the credits, the production team isn't the picard team, it's the discovery team (tamara deverell did the sets, gersha phillips did the costumes, etc), so it might be a matter of which team was producing this and when. the picard series proper has a longer lead time, this was done quick and cheap, might explain a few things.

They didn't even bother to use any filmed footage of Stewart for Picard - which I think should show you how little the two were actually integrated.

Though honestly that might have been in an effort to not pay him for appearing in the short.

 

[Dukhat]

but hell, for all i know we'll be seeing a ton of shit like this in picard and our brains are going to explode.

Yeah, I pessimistically think that this will be the case. However, the kite ships were new (and made specifically for STP and were just used at the end of this Short Trek), the Romulan ships are new (although not having any Romulan ships in DSC to reuse, this was obviously necessary), and the La Sirena is new. Barring that odd choice of a TOS BoP, I’m cautiously hoping we’ll at least see one or two “actually new” Starfleet vessels.

 

[valkyrie013]

Well, How many years did they know about the supernova?
Kinda makes Nero's "reason" for vacuumnig Vulcan a bit.. crap? as in.. the Feds were trying FOR YEARS to evacuate people... what else do you want?

 

[Paul Weaver]

In all but one episode of Voyager I don't recall seeing any starships at Earth

If starships were evenly spread throughout earth orbit, between say 100km and 10,000km, they would be spread throughout 500 billion km^3

1,000 ships spread evening in orbit would be 500,000,000 km^3 each, about 500km from each other.

A galaxy class starship is 650m long. At 500km it would be 0.000745° wide, under 3 arc seconds, 1/20th the resolution of the human eye. A jumbojet at cruising altitude is about 64 times bigger.

 

[TPezz]

Discovery should’ve swooped in with its Spore Drive to save the day..... oooh wait, wrong century

 

[eschaton]

Well, How many years did they know about the supernova?
Kinda makes Nero's "reason" for vacuumnig Vulcan a bit.. crap? as in.. the Feds were trying FOR YEARS to evacuate people... what else do you want?

Thanks for reminding me: Due to Nero in ST09 we know that efforts to evacuate Romulus were at least a partial failure. Some people were indeed left behind. The question is, how many?

 

[pst]

Well, How many years did they know about the supernova?
Kinda makes Nero's "reason" for vacuumnig Vulcan a bit.. crap? as in.. the Feds were trying FOR YEARS to evacuate people... what else do you want?

he was a particularly troubled romulan.

 

[DaveyNY]

I did like the way They repurposed the DISCOVERY Shuttle into a Yellow School bus.

 

[Paul Weaver]

Kinda makes Nero's "reason" for vacuumnig Vulcan a bit.. crap? as in.. the Feds were trying FOR YEARS to evacuate people... what else do you want?

1) Does Nero know the federation was helping?

Spoiler: Picard Countdown

The Romulan government were keeping it quiet. A miner a long way from could well not have heard anything

2) Grief can make people do non-sensical things

3) Do we know that post Mars attack that the Federation actually helped? Maybe they said "no we need to concentrate on our own problems"

 

[Paul Weaver]

The question is, how many?

Just one, the federation decided to leave one person behind because of the prime directive, and Spock decided the post logical person was Nero's wife, hence Nero's anger

 

[eschaton]

Anyone else wondering if we're going to find out about the evacuation of Remus as well?

 

[KennyB]

They didn't even bother to use any filmed footage of Stewart for Picard - which I think should show you how little the two were actually integrated.

I don't think it was EVER the plan to have him appear in the Short Trek...........

 

[eschaton]

I don't think it was EVER the plan to have him appear in the Short Trek...........

It just seems weird to not only have a static picture, but a static picture which appears to be a drawing rather than an actual photograph.

Mind you, it might have been a photograph, but a combination of the angle and the hologram-ness of it made it seem like it was a still from a computer game or something.

 

[F. King Daniel]

True, but what it comes down to is that Disco is currently in production, therefore Picard is just going to borrow Starfleet designs from Disco to save money. Especially since Picard isn't really supposed to be about Starfleet per se. And if I really wanted to stir the pot, I could point out the Akira class does technically predate TOS...

Remember when the powers that be wanted to use the Akira-class unchanged for the Enterprise NX-01? We are living this reality now.

Either shit the bed or just accept them as generic Starfleet ships, because that's exactly how they're intended.

 

[Greg Cox]

I'm thinking that They just don't give a chit anymore about maintaining any of the aspects of previous Trek Starship incarnations of Trek.
Nor do They really care if the older fans are bothered by it.

Some older fans.

 

[KennyB]

Some older fans.

Thank you @Greg Cox

 

[Timo]

FWIW, out of all the DSC ships, I think Magee is the best candidate for a high-capacity hauler... Also, such a mission would be ageless, involving no change in the "threat" it is expected to meet and adapt to, so Starfleet might be churning out those ships for centuries. Also, neither Kirk nor Picard would be likely to meet one during any known TOS or TNG mission. Although it would be fun to insert some in the background of DS9-R if there ever is one.

As regards evacuation scenarios, it would seem prudent to assume that a single Magee or similar can hold tens of thousands with ease. Just pack 'em ten high, naturally unconscious all the way so as not to consume resources or get agitated. Although this of course ignores the VOY concept of carrying people in transporter buffers, in which case a Magee might hold millions, in hundreds of dedicated buffers.

Any chance of utterly spoiling the short for us geographically challenged? That is, a full synopsis right here and now? Pwetty pleeeeease?

Does it offer specific support for the ideas from the comic? Do we now know for a fact that the evacuation was started years before Spock tried the Red Pill, say?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Greg Cox]

Confession: I gulped when I saw there were already 500-plus posts on this short. Turns out, though, that I could skip over over all the speculative posts from before it aired AND a zillion posts nitpicking the hardware.

It's perhaps worth remembering that the short was not about what kind of ships were on screen. I admit I squinted at the enemy ships to try to figure out who the bad guys were, without much success, but otherwise I wasn't trying to identify the various Starfleet vessels onscreen or figure out which incarnation of TREK they came from. (Mind you, I can't tell a Ford from a Volvo if my life depended on it, and have no idea what a "Magee" is.)

Speaking as an "older fan," I enjoyed the short without worrying about which ship was what. We got a nice peek at civilian life in the PICARD era, followed by some ominous foreshadowing for the Main Event a few weeks from now.

 

[Paul Weaver]

and have no idea what a "Magee" is.)

You’ll like it. Not a lot, but you’ll like it.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I had to Google. It's the ship type seen in "The Trouble With Edward"